HiB Booster again (sorry!) Reactions

[WedgiesMum]

Having just read the other thread about the booster AFTER I'd had my two done this week (Monday)thought I see if anyone can help here.

Fairly certain DD (age 2) had a reaction to it - went to sleep for 2 hours after the jab and was generally clingy for next couple of days (and regressed with her potty training for 2/3 days too). She's just about back to being herself today.

Problem is with DS (aged 4). We've been having a bit of trouble with him anyway as he's been throwing his weight around at nursery, and as some of you will know that is considerable as he is a VERY VERY tall boy, and getting into trouble for it (hitting out when he loses his temper). Haven't been too worried until this week as it has been post chickenpox and post lots of summer visitors and he's also anticipating his 2 best friends going to school in two weeks whilst he has to wait until January. However since the jab he's been really really hyper - like I've given him pure E numbers to eat or caffeine to drink or something. He is very emotional about everything, over reacting badly, insistent that things are as he sees them (like a million times more than usual I mean) and gets really hysterical when he's angry, culminating in him hitting several members of staff at nursery today. Tonight at home he's been talking like he's on speed, jumping from subject to subject and whilst we can handle it at home I can see how it would get out of hand easily at nursery. And it's just not normally what he's like. Yes he is normally quite a high maintenance boy but this is something completely OTT IMO. His diet hasn't changed, and whilst I am not massively overzealous about things I try to restrict additives anyway. Tonight he looked pale/ exhausted, red eyes, black bags under his eyes and went to sleep about an hour early (but after having had Calpol) - oh and he's been complaining of a tummy ache all day.

Seeing it all here, I'm sure that something must be wrong. Do you think it is the vaccine? Or something else? any advice would be appreciated. I am going to see what he is like in the morning but am stongly inclined to take him to the doctors.

Sorry about the length of this but I am feeling very wobbly on this as have had my confidence in my parenting skills knocked badly over the last few months (nursery related.... )and am bad at relying on my own gut reactions at the moment as don't want to over-react.

Thanks in advance.

WM xx

If you know something is different, and the same tomorrow,there's no harm getting him checked. My dd does go thru phases behaviour-wise but never too bad, so don't really know what to say.
Just thought I'd say I Bet the Dr insists it's nothing to do with hib.
My dd had an awful temperature for 3 days 8 days after it & I was worried sick at the time as she's rarely ill, there do seem to be different reactions, but they can't all be coincidence.
All the best...

I doubt dr will agree its anything to do with hib. Most documented adverse reactions have been along the seizures/possibly muscle weakness/nerve damage line (Although I think it could be- but then I'm very cynical about these vaccines). I would see how it goes- have a quiet weekend.

One thought about Calpol- my son is appalling on calpol- he is on a special diet- and the sorbitol in it sends him crazy. (I'm sure the colours must be fairly dodgy as well to make it bright pink). If you've dosed him up after the jab, and if he's sensitive to additives do you think that could have an effect? Someone did tell me this week that if you ask the chemist they will make up a special kiddies paracetamol free of colours and additives, but I haven't tried asking a chemist yet. Black bags under the eyes can be a sign of dietary allergies - and in fact ds1's have improved since taking him off the sorbitol.

There are lots of tummy bugs doing the rounds as well. I have a suspicion that ds1 has had tummy ache today, so it might just be a conincidental bug.

Hope they both get better soon.

thank god!!! (sorry) my dd1 was bouncing off the walls for several days after the jab. running around non-stop, shouting, being very very hyper, and like your ds she is an energentic child at the best of times. i thought i must've been the only one this happened to. she also got very upset over the smaller things as well. she seems a bit more settled now, still very hyper but i think that could be just the sunshine lol. hopefully your ds calms down soon.

Well things are a bit better this morning, I think.... Started off badly - up at 6 which is really unusual for him and he was still in the jabber jabber mode. DH takes the children to nursery on a Friday and by the time I got to the station he was on the phone as DS was refusing to get in the car and carrying on like a banshee. Turned round and went home to find peace and harmony and breakfast being eaten - did tell DS how cross I was with him and also agreed how he would deal with being cross at nursery (no hitting or screaming - tell a grown up, and it's OK to be cross about things but think about how he handles that). Put kids in my car took them to nursery and he was calm and happy when we got there!!! Still talking nineteen to the dozen though. Think that DH may have handled the refusing situation badly actually...... Ho hum.

Misdee - I'm am so relieved that someone else had this reaction as I was starting to wonder, I had seen other people's reports and it was along the lines that Jimjams suggested. I don't think it's the Calpol though as last night was the first dose he had since the jab and he had the vaccination on Monday. Do you think there might be something in the vaccination that they are allergic to???

Interesting about the black bags - thanks for that Jimjams. He goes through periods when he has them for weeks at a time and I've just associated them with a growth spurt - he has LOTS of those, he's grown over 10 cm in the last year alone - I will definitely look into that. If anyone has any advice in this area once again I would be most greatful for your ideas.

Have decided not to do the doctor thing just yet and take the advice to have a quiet weekend.

Thanks everyone, you are ALL stars!

WM xx

Doesn't sound like enough calpol then. This site

www.vaccine-info.com/

has a page where you can record adverse reacions. There aren't many recorded yet but you could have a browse and see if anyone else has suffered the same thing.

There is a lot on the web about the shadows under the eyes - here's one general site.

www.familydigestbaby.com/stories/allergies.cfm

I first came across it when ds1 had severe eczema and it was mentioned then. Later on when we looked into allergy induced autism it was mentioned there- but it does seem to be a general allergic thing.

Thanks Jimjams

WedgiesMum, hows your ds doing? my dd is still running circles round me atm, a few people have commented on how hyper she has been in the last few weeks. she isnt sleeping as long as before (used to get 12 hours, now its about 9-10), but she is sleeping sounder so that could be why. she has become very nasty towards her younger sister at times, and also her allergic reactions have started happening more and more often. she came up in huge raised lumps on her back the other night, (similar to what u get if u touch stinging nettles), gave her piriton and it calmed down (and made her drowsy, always a bonus!!). she has become very rude and demanding 'get me a drink, i want this, give it to me now!!' where as before even if she didnt say pleae she sounded polite. i'm hoping that starting nursery in a fortnight will help settle her back down. she is exhausting me, her attention span has shortened as well, used to be able to settle her down to watch and film and she'd watch it till the end now i'm lucky if its 30mins before she's off doing somethign else. and all this happened in the last few weeks.

Thanks for remembering

He's miles better now. Much, much calmer. Especially after the episode on Friday morning. In fact he's been almost back to his usual self thank god!.

Sounds like you're having a tough time with your DD. Poor you My DS goes through phases where he is a right royal pain - horrid to his sister, tantrumy and very very cheeky. For him it's usually associated with some sort of change in his life - like his routine changing, or anticipation of a change. He's been worrying for a few weeks about September when his friends will go to School and he has to wait until january - and go to a different school as well. The children he will be left with at nusery are younger and the 'boy group' are all what he calls 'naughties' (ie they torment him as he is easy to wind up) and he is worried about what will happen when he only has them for company. I think that your DD will respond well to the more formal nature of nursery - often they play up like this because they are testing boundaries or are moving on a stage and need a bit more challenging but also guiding into how to handle their own behaviour when they are going through this.

Hope you can keep sane that long some days it takes me ALL my patience not to turn green and explode!!!