Pro Immunisation Website

[GeorginaA]

I don't really want to go into much of a discussion about the pros/cons of vaccination as it's already been really done to death and I'm certainly not qualified enough! However, I've just found this really interesting site written by a pathologist who debunks several anti-immunisation sites and passionately believes the sites in question are using very poor science.

I know immunisation is something we all fret about when it comes around, and any more information we can find can be useful, so I thought I'd post the link for those interested.

To be more balanced I'm sure others can come up with some better researched anti-immunisation sites to add to this thread (which I'm interested in reading too).

The Anti-Immunisation Activists: A Pattern of Deception

I've put a link to it in a thread below aloha- new book on imunisation. I do like that sort of articel. Factual and pretty non-sensational. Under-reporting is a major problem and makes a mockery of the official stats.

I have to admit to being stunned by the reacions being reported for hib. So many! I've really heard of very few adverse vaccine reacions first hand, so to hear of so many to hib is staggering.

Hope you don't get any hassle for your decision aloha. IME if you can argue your case then the GP's and HV's actually become quite supportive.

Another thing i also wonder on is.when it's reported of an OUTBREAK of a certain disease,why is it not said how many of the children affected have been immunised anyway! Anyone know?

Not sure what they're doing now www. Recently they were using dtap for the pre-school booster - but not sure whether they still are because of the hib problems. dtap is thimerosil free (the usual brand name is infanrix).

TBH thimerosil is less of a problem in a 4 year old. The brain should be able to cope. I think the serious damage is done when given to very young babies. Even in Auz where they are far more careful about thimerosil it is includued in vaccinations for the over 5's.

The reason they used aP in the older age group was to reduce the risk of convulsions. I would still say that pertussis is a bit of a dodgy vaccine in this age group. It is recognised (even by the drugs companies) as one of the most dangerous vaccines, whooping cough is not usually serious in this age group (unpleasant but not serious) and the vaccine doesn't work against the new strains anyway. Maybe worth looking into getting DT (although that will contain thiomerosil). TBH I haven't really looked in great detail at this area as neither of the boys will be getting them.

I think men C is usually thimersil free but worth checking before they administer. I have heard dodgy stuff about men C- but only on the grapevine. It is very similar to the hib vaccine. Meningitis C as a disease is most common in teens/young adults - especially those who live in poverty (the reason it attacks students so ferociously- they don't eat well or sleep well and drink too much). I had a chat with a public health bod once. He was totally unconcerned (from a public health pov) that ds2 hadn't had men C - and was far more upset by his lack of MMR- or single vaccines. I've always felt that this says something about the risk of men C. This man was rabidly pro-vaccines, but really was very dismissive of risks of men C (not the disease itself- but from a publich health pov- because it is so rare). Now personally I would consider men C for a teenager. It isnt one of the ones that I worry about ds2 not having receieved (whereas I do worry about tetanus).

Angeliz. - people might start asking dificult questions. Anyway they're too busy blaming irresponsible parent like me

I find it amazing that i was so trusting when my dd was born and dutifully took her along, i then started reading up on the MMR and it opened my eyes to all the other vaccines too!!!If i have another baby i dont know what i will do! I'm sure my health visitor thinks i'm a paranoid freak aswell!!

Thanks for that Jimjams, I guess I'll ring them and ask exactly what the brand names and ingredients are so I can look into it before I decide. Interesting stuff about Men C, thanks.

You might know this too jimjams. The reason they started mixing Hib with DTP was bacause it wasn't very effective on it's own so how is the Hib Booster they're now offering changed since then?

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robinw - one bad personal experience with a vaccine where your child totally recovers is a little different to your child becoming permanently affected by a lifelong disability. Catching whooping cough gives a nasty uncomfortable few weeks. Developing autism is slightly more inconvenient.

Lokk anyone can vaccinate thier child with whatever they like. However your risk assessment of "the risks of not vaccinating are higher" assumes that adverse reactions to vaccinations have been properly recorded which they have not. Yesterdays guardian

www.guardian.co.uk/parents/story/0,3605,1017340,00.html

I've done debate on this issue to death on here. I've explained before that my risk assessment relates to my family where there is a very high incidence of autoimmune disease (dh is waiting to see what he gets- his sister has just added to the lsit being diagnosed with tyoe 1 diabetes).

Now for you the risk of devloping autism may not be that high, but for me it's bloody high.

Of course measles can be nasty- but it would be less nasty if they would use the best known treatement- vitamin A - which has been shown to dramatically reduce the rates of complications.

Anwyay doesn't your point about whopping cough just back up mine- whooing cough has mutated and the vaccine no longer protects (this was reported in new Scientisit). Pertussis vaccine is recognised by the pharaceutical industry as having one of the highest rate of adverse reactions which is why the manufacturers have to contribute quite a bit per vaccine into the vaccine injuries compensation fund. I still do not understand the point of vacinating with a potentially dangerous vaqcine if it no longer protects against the disease it is meant to protect against.

robinw- my mum was left deaf in one ear from measles. She was pleased when ds1 received his measles jab. The she saw what happened to him.

My point about the older generation was that I have been surprised how many are anit multiple vaccinations. I've said it before and I will sya it again. I am not anti vaccination, I am anti mass vaccination with no prior screening. I am convinced that with a proper screening system ds1 would not have been given the usual vaccination programme, and I might not have such a damaged little boy now. It would have taken a 10 minute questionnaire to show that given his family history vaccination should be done with caution.

Am currently clearing my desk at home. This article seems relevant to this discussion:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/27/nvacc27.xml

For anyone who's interested.