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Constipated 9 Month Old - In Pain

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StressyHead · 31/07/2003 11:25

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hmb · 31/07/2003 11:29

The lactulose does take a little while to start to work, as it increases the amount of healthy bacteria in the bowel. I sympathise, as this happened when dd was smaller. If you are worried, go back to your GP or HV and ask for more advice/chance of laxative. Hope it gets better soon.

smartie · 31/07/2003 13:06

Give her lots of boiled cooled water, mine would never take this at that age so I dribbled it into their mouths from a teaspoon, at regular intervals. Will she eat fruit? Steamed and mashed pears, apples, peaches etc, all the sweet ones. I used the juice from boiling/steaming the fruit (also any unsalted veg. I cooked as the cooled boiled water to 'drip' feed them with. I wouldn't worry about the slow down in her eating, this is quite natrual when constipated, the fluids however are important so persevere with them. Good luck, constipation is my personal biggest fear ;0 But it's a whole lot worse when you have to watch your teeie suffer with it. Hope it clears soon.

smartie · 31/07/2003 13:08

Hmmm, I'm rushed, that was meant to be teenie

Rebi · 31/07/2003 13:28

My ds suffered from chronic constipation for 3 years. There is stronger medication you can get, lactoberal (lactulose did nothing for him). I'm not sure if you need to referred to paed for this though.
Suppositories can be used, although this is definitely a last resort, there was one time when we had to bring ds to casualty because he was in such pain and gp wasn't listening. It was them that told us to demand a referral, which we did. She does not need to be suffering like this.

By the way prune juice can sometimes help, although again this didn't work for ds. Also he is now 7 and has no problems, just to reassure you that even in extreme cases it does get better.

vicimelly · 31/07/2003 13:41

My daughter has always suffered from constipation, as a result of another condition she has, so i have had to deal with this for a few years aswell. As mentioned earlier cooled boiled water can help, is there any chance you can increase the lactulose dosage? It took me a while to find the right ammount that worked for my daughter. Has the dr given you any laxatives for her? I find with my little one that although the laxative can give them tummy cramps for a little while it clears them out quickly if they are really suffering, i always give it with calpol which reduces the pain from the tummy cramps.
Hope some of this was helpful anyway, i know how distressing it is when they are in pain and there is nothing you can do.
Good luck
Vici xx

StressyHead · 31/07/2003 13:56

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StressyHead · 31/07/2003 13:57

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Tissy · 31/07/2003 13:59

Stressyhead, if her poos have been hard she might have an anal fissure. This is a tear in the back passage that can be really painful as a po passes (think mouth ulcers and crisps). I would take her back to the doctors, it may be that a suppository or two would help get over the hard bit, allowing the lactulose to then soften the poo up.

HTH

boyandgirl · 31/07/2003 22:06

Oh Stressyhead I feel for you and your ds. We went through this with our ds and it's so distressing. I've had a skim through my baby book, where I write everything down, to remind me of the things that we did. Here they are (in no particular order).

Baby suppositories help a bit when you can see the baby is trying to pass a painful poo. But don't use them habitually.

If a poo is coming you can help ease your dd by laying her on her back, knees bent, nappy off but still under her, and hold a very warm damp babywipe over her anus. If the anus is stretching painfully, very gently press just beneath it (as you look at her ie towards the spine). You'll feel that the poo is pressing against your finger through her flesh and giving some support just then seems to help.

Prune juice and tomatoes (juice or otherwise) are very good.

I was constaantly tolkd to increase his fibre intact, but my gut feeling was that he maybe had too much fibre and that was making his poos even bigger. So I reduced his fibre slightly by giving him white bread instead of wholemeal and there was a big improvement within a week.

Replacing as many wheat-based products with oat-based also hellped. The fibre in oats is much gnetler on the gut than the fibre in wheat.

Reducing his meat intake made a big difference. Liver particularly constipates him, even now (nearly 3) so give meat with fibre-rich veg, and not more than 3-4 times/week. Fish causes no problems, and I try to give him 1-2 vegetarian days each week with beans/lentils for protein.

These are all things that helped our son at a similar age. I don't know whether they would work for you, but HTH.

Paula71 · 31/07/2003 22:37

Stressyhead I know exactly what you are going through.

Ds twin eldest went through this at about 13 months. Exact same thing and lactulose took a while to work as well. As I am a stay-at-home mum I was around the screaming 24/7 so of course I was getting frazzled!

I found that rubbing his back and tummy, lying him across my knees when the poo was coming got rid of the fear, which lasted longer than the condition. The comforting feel made him relax and he learned his poo wasn't going to hurt anymore.

I also gave him unsweetened orange juice diluted 1 part juice 10 parts water. Ask your health visitor for other tips.

boyandgirl · 01/08/2003 08:24

Stressyhead, I've found another thing that helped our ds: olive oil, 1/4 teaspoon per day, uncooked. It can be mixed into any food. When not constipated, continue giving olive oil 2-3 times a week (or use it in general cooking).

Changing the milk sounds like a good idea. I wish someone had suggested that to me when ds was suffering. Until I started Mumsnetting I had no idea that the various milks could have effects on bowels, but it's come up in a few threads. As well as the casein content, the form and quantity of iron in the formula could also have an effect.

boyandgirl · 01/08/2003 13:17

Back again! Apparently apples, carrots and bananas can be constipating. I knew about bananas but didn't know about the others until I mentioned to my HV that my dd started doing goat's droppings as soon as I started giving her jars of baby food. She was weaned on carrots (among other things) and has no problem with them - other than the fact that they stain her bum orange - but cooked apples do bung her up. I've tried a little raw apple and it didn't seem to have any effect, so whether it's the cooked-ness or the quantity I do not know, but every single jar of baby food containing apples is pretty much off limits for her.

Bossanova · 02/08/2003 00:35

Oh StressyHead this sounds so familiar. My ds started getting like this at around the same age. It is only just starting to get better and he is 26months. Please push for a referral,we had to, and it has taken a lot of playing around with different medicines to finally find something that works. We started on the lactulose and were giving 10ml twice a day. It didn't work well enough for us. We then tried senna, then suppositories, then docusate (one of the most disgusting tastes known to man!). The main problem is that after a while ds just refused to take enough of anything to have any effect. Finally at our last appointment with the constipation consultant we were given Movicol which is a powder that can be mixed with a drink. At last ds is going every day, with just normal straining and no screaming with pain.
It can be so difficult getting across to doctors how bad the problem is. I was asked by both the gp and hv who it was upsetting more, me or ds, like it was my fault. Finally after all this rambling there are a couple of things we tried. When ds was trying to poo I would put a little (slightly warmed) olive oil around his anus to help the poo slide out easier. Also, when he was really straining, if anything came out held it with tissue and tried to help it out. I know it sounds gross but when it gets that bad you'll try anything. HTH, good luck and love to your dd.

StressyHead · 05/08/2003 09:06

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Mo2 · 05/08/2003 09:44

StressyHead - sorry - haven't much time to write, but have you searched the boards on this subject, because I've added stuff previously about this. Basically DS1 had this from 6 months old and I KNOW how awful it is when the GPs won't take you seriously. In the end we got a private referral to a paedeatrician who prescribed a very small amount (quarter of a teaspoon) of liquid paraffin oil(from chemists ). It worked wonders and got him over the fear part, and then lots of the other suggestions (orange juice, prunes etc) kept things moving after that. HTH good luck.

maras · 06/08/2003 17:37

My dd (8 months) has exactly the same problem. This is all so helpful! The only difference is that she's breastfed. (I work twice a week and on those days she has a bottle of expressed breastmilk and one of formula - but this has been the case since she was 4 months and the problems only started when she started on solids at 6 and a half months - so I don't think it's the formula.)
It's not so much not going - but more having great difficulty in passing anything, (she does sometimes miss a day which makes things worse when the next time comes). When trying to do a poo she fixes me with a frightened stare, nearly turns purple with her eyes popping out and screams out as she passes the poo - usually a small round ball - but not goats droppings.
I will try the suggestions here - but do any of you with experience of this think I should go to the doctor or try the diet options/olive oil/parrafin myself (not myself but ykwim .)
I never realised bananas could be a constipating and I think they have been a cause - she's off them now and has stewed prunes twice a day (but mixed with stewed apple - so I'll try dropping the apple) and still has a problem. Last time she was bad the prunes did the trick but they're having less effect this time.
She has Wheetabix for b'fast, brown bread when she has bread - should I cut these out?. She doesn't eat very big portions of anything - at the moment it's mainly home cooked lamb or chicken casserole with lots of veg. She loves fruit - especially what she can eat in her fingers -and has half a kiwi, half a peach or mashed up raw pear a day - she even manages satauma segements. I'm giving her lots of water as I thought this might help - but is it better to increase the breastfeeds? (At present she has an early morning feed, mid am before her sleep, early pm before her sleep and then at bedtime. Nights vary - from one late night feed to waking every two hours for v short comfort feeds (that's a whole different problem which I don't have the energy to sort out at present!!).
If she has a beastfeed anywhere close to a meal she won't eat anything!
She hasn't had any juices yet, but someone suggested apple juice can help. Any knowledge on this?
I have 2 other children who have never had any constipation problems so I'm really concerned that this is something she'll be plagued with ...or is it her body just getting used to solids??
Any suggestions or advice gratefully received - I can't bear to see her so distressed on a daily basis. By the way when only b/fed her poos were always quite liquid (more so than my other 2 children) - don't know if this signifies anything - but it probably doesn't help her with getting used to the sensation of solid poos! Sorry to be so graphic and detailed!!

Gilli · 06/08/2003 23:00

Girls! the natural answer for a baby under 1 - and I promise it works - is chocolate. Give in any form you can, but I find that chocolate pudding made by Hipp in baby jars works best. Feed as much as you need! Chocolate for babies is laxative, and yes, bananas are constipating: also if fed for tea can result in very windy and disturbed sleep in little ones. HIH

dozy · 07/08/2003 06:33

if she can manage fig bisuits those worked well for my slightly older child.

boyandgirl · 07/08/2003 15:04

Gosh the things you discover about chocolate!

Maras, it didn't last forever with my ds. In fact the pooing problems stopped very suddenly indeed when he was about 2 1/2. My instinct would be to go for simple home remedies like changing diet before going to the GP for laxatives. But only change one or two things at a time, otherwise you may not learn what the specific cause is (if any).

maras · 13/08/2003 10:37

Thanks for all the info. I definitely want to try to get things right with diet rather than medecine. Lots of stewed prues and a little olive oil seem to be helping. She is going at least once or twice a day now, but always it's a big effort and quite painful for her. She has loads of fruit as well - but I'm just going to keep giving her more!!! Poor lass!!

Jenie · 13/08/2003 10:54

Have you tried putting a little petrolium jelly around her anus? This (apparantly) helps with the passing of the movement. Friend has similar problem and this is what hv suggested and has helped.

StressyHead · 13/08/2003 12:40

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