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homeopathic vaccination

23 replies

Daisydot · 20/08/2005 19:11

Hello, (I am new to mumsnet, so here goes....!)

I am expecting a baby mid-September and do not want to go down the vaccination route. (We lost our daughter last year at the age of 6 through a condition (epilepsy) which started shortly after being vaccinated.

Does anyone have any recommendations on alternatives to vaccinations? I am thinking along the lines of perhaps homeopathic treatment/protection.

Thanks very much.

Daisydot.

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Jimjams · 20/08/2005 19:24

Hi Daisydot

Welcome to mumsnet but so sorry to hear of your loss.....

There are quite a few of us on here who haven't vaccinated. DS1 is severely autistic- and we believe vaccine damaged so neither ds2 (now 3) or ds 3 (7 months) have been vaccinated.

Homeopaths vary in how well they think homeopathic vaccination works. The majority of classical homeopaths don't do it because they only give remedies when necessary. I have stocked up on nosodes for all the childhood illnesses and other vax things. When ds2 was 4 months he was exposed several times to whooping cough in an enclosed space. I was quite worried! Anyway I have the nosode pertissin and he was fine- didn't get it. Of course doesn't prove anything, but I was relieved anyway!

I've also tried to bfeed for a long as possible. DS2 was fed to over two (mix fed). DS3 is proving a nightmare to feed but I am aiming to continuewith one feed a day for an extended period. Will try anyway- bfeeding gives good protection against hib in particular.

ruty · 20/08/2005 19:38

hi daisydot and welcome - my heart goes out to you for what you must have been thru. I haven't vaccinated my 11 month ds because he had gut problems as a young babe. I'm still humming and hah-ing but mumsnet is a great resource. Jimjams in particular is extremely well informed on the subject. I haven't used nosodes as i haven' really found a good homeopath yet, but i am still breastfeeding as much as i can. good luck with it all - let us know how you get on.

Daisydot · 21/08/2005 16:22

Dear Ruty and Jimjams,

Thanks very much for getting back to me. It's nice to join a 'normal' mum and baby/tots support group. I was on an epilepsy support group for four and a half years, and still visit them every day to chat with the other mums there, who helped and supported me through our bleakest (and of course happiest) times. But I now need to break away a little and concentrate on this little one who's about to make her/himself known to us in the flesh around the 17th September.

I had pre-eclampsia with my daughter, and I was scared history would repeat itself, but so far so good, and I only have 4 weeks to go!

I work part time and am starting my maternity leave at the end of August. It will be nice to get nesting and really put my feet up. Although I work part-time I work from home two days a week on the charity we set up and registered in my Daughter (Daisy's) name. www.thedaisygarland.org.uk. It's been very busy, but I am reaching a point where I can see a light at the end of the tunnel. And a point where I feel I need to step back and take a little break.

My dh has been up in the loft this weekend and retrieved Daisy's pram, car seat and cot, and lots of little vests and babygro's. It's lovely to see all these things again, but is much like licking honey from a thorn... We've also been out and bought lots of new bits today too, so it's all starting to feel very real and very exciting.

Since joining mumsnet (yesterday!) and reading through some of the topics posted here, I've decided to use reuseable nappies and have just purchased a baby monitor one of the mums here recommended! Daisy died in her sleep so we are paranoid about this little one. We still have Daisy's old baby monitor, but it was good to see an ultra sensitive one recommended here.

Jimjams, I am so sorry to read that DS1 has autism. Although I just have to say that children with special needs are just so amazing. They teach us so much and they are just so brave and so wonderful. I think they're old souls who have come back to teach us what we need to learn in this life. Daisy was an amazing teacher, and left behind many gifts for many people to learn from.

I have taken on board what you've said about homeopaths. Can I ask what a nosode is?

I did everything in my power to 'get it right' last time around, but things didn't go exactly to plan. This time around I am trying my very best again, and as I learnt such a lot with Daisy, I really want to put all that I learnt to good practice. I am incredibly keen to have a labour with little to no medical intervention and really want to boost this little ones immune system from day one. Even the nappies I'm buying are organic! No, this time around I want things to be different............

Ruty, well done for breastfeeding for so long. That just has to be such a good thing. I am planning on doing it for as long as I can too. It just makes such good sense. Well done for delaying the vaccinations too. Daisy was just getting over a very bad cold when she had hers. My gut feeling said don't do it, but the doctor and the health visitor bulldozed me into doing so. I guess us mums should NEVER go against our gut feeling.

It's lovely chatting with you both. Hope I can get the hang of working my way around the mumsnet site, it feels a bit like a maize at the moment!

Hope you are both enjoying a sunny Sunday afternoon.

Take care.

Sara.

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ruty · 21/08/2005 19:56

hi sara - as far as i know nosodes are homeopathic preparations of 'vaccines' in they contain minute amounts of the illness, but infintessimally small amounts in the manner of all homeopathic remedies. Good luck with everything, after all you have been thru now you a wonderful thing on its way!

Daisydot · 22/08/2005 19:10

Thanks Ruty. Yes, miracles really do happen. I can't wait to meet Daisy's little brother or sister.
Whe is your baby due?
Take care.
Sara

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Caligula · 22/08/2005 19:22

Where do you get nosodes from?

Congratulations on your pregnancy Daisydot.

Heathcliffscathy · 22/08/2005 19:29

Daisydot, I'm not sure where you are based but the homeopath that has this website specialises in this here it is

I found out about her in the book 'what really works for kids' written by the daily telegraph health columnist.

she's been seeing ds since he was couple of months old and is excellent, busy though!

Her book 'An Educated Decision' is also very good.

hth

Heathcliffscathy · 22/08/2005 19:31

she works to boost the immune system, and then when the child is old enough does work with nosodes.

Heathcliffscathy · 22/08/2005 19:33

as i understand it, nosodes are not homeopathic vax, but rather, will show up any consitutional weakness to the disease and protect against complications....

wecome to mn daisydot, it is a great resource...

Caligula · 22/08/2005 19:35

Great link Sophable. Where is this woman based? (Can't find it on the website)

Heathcliffscathy · 22/08/2005 21:27

Redhill.

(I'm in SW London)

Cat me and I'll give you her details.

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ruty · 22/08/2005 21:57

i'm not pregnant ATM sara, got my hands full with my 11 month old!

Daisydot · 23/08/2005 11:22

Dear Sophable,

Thank you so much for the information and the link. I am at work right now but will look into this more thoroughly when I get on my computer at home later today.

I am based in SW London. Wimbledon. Where is your homeopath based?

Feel as if I am leaving things until the last minute, with just under four weeks to go........ trying to find a wonderful homeopath and reusable nappies! I used pampers with Daisy, but I want to be chemical free this time around as well as eco friendly. Am looking at totsbots right now. They seem good. Have you ever tried them?

Take care and have a good day. The sun is shining here in SW London and I have a routine consultant's appointment this afternoon. Am keeping all crossed that everything continues to go well. Precious pregnancy at 41 years old!

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ruty · 23/08/2005 13:06

my mum had me at 42 and all was fine so don't worry!

Heathcliffscathy · 23/08/2005 13:11

daisydot, you're not leaving anything too late! i would say to anyone that they should seriously consider leaving any vaccinations until the baby is at LEAST 12 weeks old (like they used to do) anyway, so you have plenty of time.....also, breastfeeding is a fantastic way of protecting your baby, if you can....

this homeopath is based in redhill. I find it quite easy to use her and I'm in wandsworth....basically she'll see you in person the first couple of times, but then she does phone consultations if you can't get down there.

relax.....i know it's not easy once 'nesting' has kicked in, but you really do have plenty of time for these things....

have you thought about giving oral (liquid) vit K instead of a jab...does the job just as well as long as you make sure that you give the 3 doses (which I'm sure you would)?

x

Heathcliffscathy · 23/08/2005 13:12

btw, daisydot, might be worth you going to see her before you give birth??? certainly giving her a call? CAT me and I'll give you her number, or you can use the email on the website.

spidermama · 23/08/2005 13:13

I haven't vaccinated any of my four kids. I can recommend Trevor Gunn's book, Vaccinations. A point in Question. He's a homeopath and campaigner against routine immunisation. He also gives great talks around the country fairly regularly.
I came out of his last talk feeling a renewed sense of peace and confidence at my decision.

Sorry for your loss.
Welcome to mumsnet.

There's also a group called The Informed Parent and another called JABS which might interest you. I found their literature very helpful when reading up all the pros and cons.

All the best with your pg.

Daisydot · 23/08/2005 20:23

Thank you all for your e-mails. It's wonderful to know that I'm not alone in not wanting to vaccinate this little baby.

Sophable, what do you mean when you say CAT me? Sorry, I am a little green here, and completely new to all this! Redhill isn't that far away. We took Daisy all over the show for her treatments. Taunton, Sevenoaks, Chessington...... would have walked barefoot to Bourneo if it could have helped in any way.... sigh...........

Am still on the nappy trail! Have shortlisted to 3, but am still confused as to which brand to use. It's a minefield out there when you start researching reuseables!!

Anyway, all went well at my appt this pm. Consultant said the baby is still surrounded by a lot of fluid but said this was a good thing as it indicates that the placenta is still working well.

Just want him or her here with us, so that we have another little bear to fill our arms. Just 3.5 weeks to go, and counting daily! There is no greater gift in this world, than the gift of a child........

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ruty · 23/08/2005 20:28

CAT means contact another talker - click on the heading at the top.

Daisydot · 24/08/2005 19:19

Thanks for explaining that Ruty. Now why didn't I work that one out for myself?!! Brain has gone on vacation since that little blue line appeared!

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Daisydot · 26/08/2005 08:38

I am in the middle of reading a very interesting book on vaccination. It's called Vaccination and Immunisation; Dangers, Delusions and Alternatives (what every parent should know). It's by Leon Chaitow, ISBN 0-85207-191-4 and is £6.99. I ordered my copy from Amazon. Just thought I'd post in case anyone is intersted in getting hold of a copy.

Have a nice day!

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Jimjams · 26/08/2005 19:31

sorry been away- but I'd also recommend this boook . you can get it on Amazon.

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