Don't trust the polls if you want Tories out you need to vote

[paolo2145]

There are definitely still a lot of shy Tories out there as this article by Independent shows.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-project-feat-super-mahjority-poll-b2570841.html

"While just under a quarter of those voting have said they will vote by post, the results break much more favourably for the Conservatives and Reform UK.

Considering only the vote by post, the Conservatives would get 30 per cent, Labour 33 per cent, Reform UK 26 per cent and the Lib Dems 6 per cent.

Pollster Lord Robert Hayward, a Tory peer, said the intelligence he has heard on postal votes suggests they are closer than the polls have suggested over the past few weeks.

All parties get an indication of how postal voting is going a few days before election date- Remember Laura Kuensberg famously getting in trouble for leaking that the postal votes looked grim for Labour, day before last election.

I think there are still a lot of shy Tories and also wavering voters will most likely switch to Tory at last minute.

So the message is clear if you want Tories out and especially if you want to see them utterly humiliated, then get out and make your vote count!

Because we have PROOF that the Tories are corrupt and inept. The last 14 years is the proof. It’s all around you. Just because you went to a top public school doesn’t mean you’re able to run the country. That’s been proven

That's a vile thing to say. Maybe you should consider a career in Russian politics?

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/zadie-smith-on-hope-trepidation-and-rebirth-after-14-years-of-the-tories

Why?

Anyone who turns to insults because someone else thinks differently to them shouldn't bother voting.

Because if you vote another party whom has other ideas, what's to say that they won't make the country worse by doing what they have planned / or haven't planned?

Maybe they will, maybe they won't 🤷🏻‍♀️ but it's time to give someone else a chance quite frankly. If you keep voting for the party that's royally screwing the country then there's going to be no change whatsoever. Another party may just be able to change things for the better.
And if they don't. Well, we'll all be voting conservative again in 4 years.
Unfortunately too many people are just genuinely scared of change in all aspects of their life. That includes politics.

I’m worried for my children if Labour get in. We’re farmers and they haven’t ruled out abolishing IHT relief or BPR which could effectively annihilate the family business they want to go into.

But that’s a rather niche worry I do appreciate! In general though I don’t think their stance on tax is great and I have serious concerns about their definition of a woman. Anyone who can conceivably argue you can change biological sex should not be in charge of the country in my mind.

However, I can’t abide that the Conservatives lied about parties during Covid. I also think they’ve underfunded schools and allowed mismanagement of the NHS.

Why can’t there be a party that just has some common sense and old fashioned decency. Everyone pays a bit of tax, some more than others and then more is given to those who need it. Who also has the gumption to say some things can’t be funded by the state.

That was polite. It’s not what I’d really like to say

Amen to that!

Keep going Cattery! You're a fantastic advert for the labour party!

I don't disagree with your post but I really need more from Labour other than "we're not the Conservatives".

At every election voters say "I'm going to vote for the other party because they can't be any worse than the useless shower we currently have in Government.". But each time they prove us wrong by being much worse than the previous party.

Totally agree 👍

I don’t agree with tactical voting, people should vote for what they support not what they don’t. A vote for a party is showing you support most, if not all, of their policies.

I have always said that we are fortunate in this country that we have the right to vote so should use it. That right also includes showing if you don’t agree with what is being offered by spoiling your ballot paper. I would never not vote so in my constituency, as only the main parties are running (no independents), that seems be my only option. All parties have a main policy that I simply can’t endorse.

My concern is that Labour will think everyone agrees with most of their policies whereas everything I keep seeing indicates that is far from the truth. Even our Labour candidate is campaigning on a “get the Tories out”, sending out previous election data to prove you need to vote for him rather than Lib Dem’s or discussing anything positive from their manifesto.

Labour felt that this election would be easy, no-one wants the Tories so their manifesto may not have been as thought through as it could have been. Labour being in government isn’t going to be the magic solution to all our issues everyone thinks they will be.

With the archaic first past the post system voting for your preferred candidate is pointless

Yes I am voting negatively - I want the least worst option of those that are actually available to me rather than some ideal world where there is a option I like the look of ( ha ha) and a chance that my vote would count as much as anyone else's

That's life - sometimes least worst is all that you can aim for

Well that’s the thing we can’t know but what we DO know is that this lot have proven themselves to be incapable.

The only time I ended up in hospital it was not planned ! That's why it came into my head

Yep. Nearly everyone I know thought Brexit wouldn't happen, I suspect many didn't vote.

With the archaic first past the post system voting for your preferred candidate is pointless

Whereas I take the view that unless we vote for who we want then others don’t start to follow suit and votes will always be viewed as wasted. The circle continues and we get no change from thinking we can only choose between the main two and their type of policies for our vote to count.

Using Greens as an example (and I’m not advocating for them as I won’t be voting for them, this is just an example), if say 20% of the electorate voted for them even if they got no seats, it sends a message to the two main parties that in order to increase their vote share next time round they need to adopt/refine their policies to include more environmental views.

Doing this long term might bring about change rather than choosing the least worst to remove a party you don’t like. For this election, it would send the message to Labour that yes, you’ve won (as they are going to) but plenty of voters still don’t like what your policies are about and/or don’t trust you yet. However, I acknowledge others feel differently.

If you change nothing, then nothing will change.

And will arguably get worse.
Even if you don't agree on every policy, the damage the conservatives have done and still plan to do is astronomical. Who have been in power for years and years and years?
They have.
Just think about that for a moment.

They have been in power for far too long and it's time for a change. Give the opposition a chance. Give CHANGE a chance. Unless enough of us band together and say enough is enough, then things will only get worse for us. History has PROVEN that.

Why? I think it'll be good for my grandchildren with schools getting repaired & more teachers.