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General election 2024
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Shortfatsuit · 01/07/2024 16:40

CoalHouseDoor · 01/07/2024 09:54

I personally don’t think they’re far right. I didn’t hear anything yesterday that made me believe that. Centre right.

Lol at Reform being Centre Right. That's one of the stupidest comments that I've read on MN.

It's a democracy. You have the right to vote for an extremist far right party if you choose to do so, but at least have the courage to own it for what it is.

GrantShappsOtherUserName · 01/07/2024 17:04

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Read up on Ella Kissi-Debra and Sadiq Khan's personal motivation after hearing her story.

Ratflaps · 01/07/2024 17:05

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GrantShappsOtherUserName · 01/07/2024 17:15

So, Ella didn't die?

Have a word with yourself.

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 17:17

SnappyBee · 01/07/2024 01:29

A TLDR for people who can't be bothered to watch the video:

I'm an immigrant! A good immigrant! But now we have too many immigrants!

Britain is great! Everyone should be proud to be British!

Our political leaders have failed! We won't!

Nigel Farage is a real leader and will save us all!

I think that just about covers it.

Farage’s useful idiot fir ethnic minority votes.

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CoalHouseDoor · 01/07/2024 17:56

Shortfatsuit · 01/07/2024 16:40

Lol at Reform being Centre Right. That's one of the stupidest comments that I've read on MN.

It's a democracy. You have the right to vote for an extremist far right party if you choose to do so, but at least have the courage to own it for what it is.

😂Are you Giles Watling?

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SnappyBee · 01/07/2024 20:55

When Reform (a) put out a manifesto with some degree of economic credibility, and (b) explain how they will boost birthrates so that we are not reliant on immigration to prop up our society, I'll start listening.

I'm not wedded to high immigration so if you can make it economically easier for British people to have and support larger families, then great. Realistically though, that isn't going to come from a right wing party.

What I'm not prepared to do is pay significantly higher taxes (rising year on year) to help support an aging population purely because some people don't want there to be "too many" foreigners.

I'm also not buying that immigration is the primary factor straining our infrastructure. Even with high immigration, our population growth is very modest (it'd be shrinking year on year without it). It screams lack of investment.

LaurieFairyCake · 01/07/2024 21:13

What a nutter

Anyone believing in that racist claptrap is crackers

TheColourOutOfSpace · 01/07/2024 22:29

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 17:17

Farage’s useful idiot fir ethnic minority votes.

Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, since there are useful idiots for ethnic minority votes on the left as well.
If brown and black people are apparently stupid enough to fall for Reform just by seeing a brown skinned person talking, it must imply they are equally thick when left wing political groups get brown and black people to appeal to them as well. Or does this mysterious intellectual deficiency only work one way? Surely it must apply to all of us with dark skin. Smile

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 22:32

TheColourOutOfSpace · 01/07/2024 22:29

Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, since there are useful idiots for ethnic minority votes on the left as well.
If brown and black people are apparently stupid enough to fall for Reform just by seeing a brown skinned person talking, it must imply they are equally thick when left wing political groups get brown and black people to appeal to them as well. Or does this mysterious intellectual deficiency only work one way? Surely it must apply to all of us with dark skin. Smile

I think Reform are s racist party. Hope this helps you understand my comment.

TheColourOutOfSpace · 01/07/2024 22:44

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 22:32

I think Reform are s racist party. Hope this helps you understand my comment.

Fair enough, but left wing parties are also racist - especially once you scratch the surface. Apparently all dark skinned people like myself are terribly oppressed, can't achieve anything in life unless white people save us, we live in fear and hatred of white people, fall to pieces in the face of adversity and 'microaggressions'. But look at all these brown and black people on our side! Vote for us! We're on your side .... As long as you know your place. Talk back and we'll call you coconut and a variety of other demeaning slurs. Remember, we're on your side though....

Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 22:54

Reform supporters are explicitly racist and have former BNP members (until they get found out(. I know you are correct about other parties but it is not core to their ideas.

Reform will start on migration and quickly move on to divide people in the UK against each other on race and religion. The tactic is always “not you” to your face but definitely “yes you” when you’ve gone.

Farage thinks Le Pen is great. Enough of him. His dream is to have politics like France where he can have explicit licence to decide who is undesirable all day.

TheColourOutOfSpace · 01/07/2024 23:02

Well, Reform would not have the traction and appeal that it does if left wing parties weren't divisive and racist themselves. Decades of sneering at people, ignoring their concerns and race grifting will inevitably cause resentment and hostility, which ironically, will impact ethnic minorities like myself.
No point whining about it all now. You reap what you sow. And we are seeing this across Europe.

nomoretoriesforme · 02/07/2024 00:45
Champagnesocialismo · 02/07/2024 11:20

Georgie David, who was standing for Reform in the seat of West Ham and Beckton, said she was quitting with “immediate effect”.
Ms David said in a statement first issued to the BBC: “I am hereby announcing my decision to leave the Reform Party and stand down as their candidate for West Ham and Beckton, with immediate effect.
“I am in no doubt that the party and its senior leadership are not racist. However, as the vast majority of candidates are indeed racist, misogynistic, and bigoted, I do not wish to be directly associated with people who hold such views that are so vastly opposing to my own and what I stand for.”

CoalHouseDoor · 02/07/2024 20:32

Champagnesocialismo · 02/07/2024 11:20

Georgie David, who was standing for Reform in the seat of West Ham and Beckton, said she was quitting with “immediate effect”.
Ms David said in a statement first issued to the BBC: “I am hereby announcing my decision to leave the Reform Party and stand down as their candidate for West Ham and Beckton, with immediate effect.
“I am in no doubt that the party and its senior leadership are not racist. However, as the vast majority of candidates are indeed racist, misogynistic, and bigoted, I do not wish to be directly associated with people who hold such views that are so vastly opposing to my own and what I stand for.”

… and here comes Michael Hestletine 🙄

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eggplant16 · 02/07/2024 20:37

Wonder what he's gaining from all this? Reform must bloody love him.

eggplant16 · 02/07/2024 20:40

Shortfatsuit · 01/07/2024 16:40

Lol at Reform being Centre Right. That's one of the stupidest comments that I've read on MN.

It's a democracy. You have the right to vote for an extremist far right party if you choose to do so, but at least have the courage to own it for what it is.

Yeah, just come out and say so. Spit it out. I hate brown people, I want to wave my little flag.

FFS

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