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General election 2024

True and Fair Party or Greens?

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AliMonkey · 29/06/2024 18:45

I can't vote Lib Dem or Labour based on their gender stances. I can't vote Conservative because the candidate in my constituency is a Liz Truss and Rees Mogg fan. I can't vote Reform for all the obvious reasons. I want to vote for someone given women died to get me the vote. So my choices are Green or True and Fair.

If you were a Remainer (as I assume Leavers wouldn't willingly vote for Gina Miller's party), who would you vote for out of the two and why?

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CatrionaBalfour · 29/06/2024 18:48

If you're concerned about the attitude to women by the Lib Dems and Labour - don't vote Green. Just have a look at some of their candidates behaviour and attitude. Especially in Scotland.

CatrionaBalfour · 29/06/2024 18:50

Look up the candidate for Gordon and Buchan, now dropped because of offensive tweets about JK Rowling.

PatriciaHolm · 29/06/2024 18:52

I suspect you may be in my constituency...

I'll be lending my vote to the party most likely to keep the trumpian out, I'm afraid!

CatrionaBalfour · 29/06/2024 18:55

Sorry, just to be clear, the former Green candidate for Gordon and Buchan, Sophie Molly.

AliMonkey · 29/06/2024 20:31

Thanks @CatrionaBalfour. I confess that I hadn't even got as far as the Green manifesto (as before today, having previously always voted Lib Dem, I was thinking Conservative - based purely on gender stance - until I realised today just how bad the candidate was), but have just found this in the Green manifesto:
Green MPs will always stand up against ... misogyny and violence against women and girls ... which sounded good, as did We will campaign to end violence against women and girls. Then two lines later, it says We will campaign for the right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people. So that's Greens off the list.

So anyone want to tell me why I shouldn't vote for True and Fair? In the back of my mind, I have a feeling that something Gina Miller has done in the past has put me off that party, but I can't remember what it was and the internet hasn't helped me.

@PatriciaHolm - I suspect you are right with that comment! - I almost didn't post this as at best it places me in one of four constituencies, and a bit of homework would get it down to two. So I might as well go the whole hog and say there's also an SDP candidate, and I can support their gender stance, but as they haven't even bothered leafleting or being out in the town centre (as far as I can tell), that doesn't bode well for how active they'd be as an MP. I'm guessing you're going to vote LD and completely understand why but so far I don't feel I can.

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Tukmgru · 29/06/2024 20:36

AliMonkey · 29/06/2024 20:31

Thanks @CatrionaBalfour. I confess that I hadn't even got as far as the Green manifesto (as before today, having previously always voted Lib Dem, I was thinking Conservative - based purely on gender stance - until I realised today just how bad the candidate was), but have just found this in the Green manifesto:
Green MPs will always stand up against ... misogyny and violence against women and girls ... which sounded good, as did We will campaign to end violence against women and girls. Then two lines later, it says We will campaign for the right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people. So that's Greens off the list.

So anyone want to tell me why I shouldn't vote for True and Fair? In the back of my mind, I have a feeling that something Gina Miller has done in the past has put me off that party, but I can't remember what it was and the internet hasn't helped me.

@PatriciaHolm - I suspect you are right with that comment! - I almost didn't post this as at best it places me in one of four constituencies, and a bit of homework would get it down to two. So I might as well go the whole hog and say there's also an SDP candidate, and I can support their gender stance, but as they haven't even bothered leafleting or being out in the town centre (as far as I can tell), that doesn't bode well for how active they'd be as an MP. I'm guessing you're going to vote LD and completely understand why but so far I don't feel I can.

@AliMonkey the SDP are crackerjackers - a bit like reform and indeed attracted some of the UKIP/BP MEPs go run for them, including Patrick O’Flynn, formerly of the daily express. They’re so pro Brexit it’s not even funny and if I’m reading you right you are very much opposed to that stance.

chattyness · 29/06/2024 20:36

I don't know the true and fair lot, but Jeezo not greens , have you seen what they have tried in Scotland, complete nut bags obsessed with trans ideology

AliMonkey · 29/06/2024 20:45

Thanks @Tukmgru, that's them definitely off my list then even if they finally turn up at my door. (I would have read the full manifesto if I had actually considered voting for them, I just got as far as the gender stuff when I started to wonder if anyone had reasonable views on it!)

So True and Fair still looking like the best bet for me unless anyone gives me a good reason not to, in which case I'm going to go against all my principles and not vote at all.

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