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General election 2024

To not feel the need to vote in the general election

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Imambaldi · 16/06/2024 11:27

I can’t see the point in voting for any of the parties as I think they are all as bad as each other.
They historically change goal posts to suit themselves, pilfer public funds and get away with it, break the rules that Joe Public has to follow and I feel politics just stinks.

However, I don’t want the conservatives to get back in but dread to think what the alternative will be.

I’m in Scotland and we’re stuck with the SNP for years.
I’m at a loss how to vote tactfully to rid the uk of Conservatives and feel that on election day it will be a case of not voting at all or “ which numpty should I vote for?’

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ofVeracity · 18/06/2024 15:09

twirlischocolate · 16/06/2024 14:37

@Crabpot you know that note is a tradition and was weaponised by the tories www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2023/07/liam-byrne-labour-apology-no-money-note

You should vote - or not - as you see fit but please don't make your decision on the basis of this

I think you will see the tradition was to leave a note for your successor, not uncommon in business either, nothing wrong in that.

The tradition was not to mock a tough financial situation.

Of course weaponising the other sides behaviour is a tool used again and again and again by all sides and one potential contributor to why some may not feel voting is for them.

twirlischocolate · 18/06/2024 21:24

And the note left for Jim Callaghan was “Good luck, old cock, sorry to leave it in such a mess.”

Would you suggest not voting Tory on the basis of that note? I don't think for a second that Liam Byrne was mocking the situation.

BitterSweetSympathy · 18/06/2024 21:26

If you don’t like the SNP in Scotland and the Tories in the UK then isn’t it obvious to vote Labour?

bombastix · 18/06/2024 21:36

Don’t vote, don’t complain later as to the outcome.

Crabpot · 19/06/2024 06:34

So to summarise. On 4th July, the likelihood of Labour forming the next Government in Westminster with a landslide victory is very much inevitable. Labour wins.

If you vote for any other party other than Labour, Labour wins.

If you go to the ballot box and spoil your vote, Labour wins.

If you decide like me not to vote at all, Labour wins.

You can complain all you like for the next 5 years if you don't like the inevitable outcome of the election, but it won't change anything, Labour still wins.

But at least the Tories will be gone, for now.

stalecrayon · 19/06/2024 06:39

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 16/06/2024 13:49

Apparently my tactical vote would be SNP. I cannot (in good conscience ) and will not vote SNP. It’s really hard for Scots right now to vote tactically against the tories as for so many the SNP is just as bad (and they have systematically denuded Scottish education, health and public services). I cannot vote. I won’t vote. And yes I am well aware of the moral and ethical conundrum which this is. I’m highly educated and would say I know as much about politics as anyone out there barring professors of politics. Nevertheless I stand by my right to NOT vote as an educated choice.

Yes, to tactically vote, I’d need to vote SNP which I just cannot do. I think I am going to vote labour.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 20/06/2024 16:26

Goldenthigh · 16/06/2024 11:31

I can't recall Labour pilfering public funds and breaking the law while in office, but even so, if you don't want the conservatives in government I don't get why you wouldn't vote?
FPTP is a terrible system and I've lived in safe Tory seats most of my life but I still vote (tactically) for the chance to get them out because I fundamentally disagree with their policies.
the problem comes if lots of people don't vote because they can't be bothered.

Short memory...or maybe you are not old enough. The Bliar cash for honours scandal of the early 2000s springs to mind when it comes to using their position in government to raise money for the party. One could also argue that the war against Iraq was an illegal act by labour government, which is rather more serious than a few parties during a lockdown

But, FPTP is a terrible system. No party in power has any interest in changing it, and the upcoming majority will make this even more the case. My view, and I have voted for all 3 of the 'main' parties over the 30 odd years I have had the vote, is that if you don't think any of them have given you reason to vote them you must still go and spoil the paper, to at least mark your discontent

ofVeracity · 20/06/2024 19:59

twirlischocolate · 18/06/2024 21:24

And the note left for Jim Callaghan was “Good luck, old cock, sorry to leave it in such a mess.”

Would you suggest not voting Tory on the basis of that note? I don't think for a second that Liam Byrne was mocking the situation.

Actually Liam Byrne himself later told the Guardian he burnt every day at the shame of that note, and that note was the last time labour was in power not 60 years ago. - Article easily found.

However the Guardian (as you must be aware no friend of the Tories) report of that incident 60 years ago is very different from how you paint it, they report a verbal exchange with his friend as he was clearing his desk

politicians talk of Reginald Maudling, outgoing Tory chancellor in 1964, bumping into Labour successor, Jim Callaghan, a personal friend, as he cleared his desk. "Sorry old cock, to leave it in this shape," he said

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