Anyone notice the quick change of wording in Kiers speech?

[Deftandglory]

When he was talking about not raising income tax, NI etc he said that's our ....and I think I heard him start to say " promise" which he quickly changed to "commitment".
I mean it's wise not to promise things but on the other hand it's annoying that that always cover their arses.

Surely this is the result of speech coaching?

If you were being coached to give potentially leadership winning speeches you would be coached to use stronger, less every day words, like commitment over promise. 'Promise' is just a wee bit informal. Kids use 'promise' (as do adults); they never make 'commitments'.

Well I rewatched it and he sort of stops and then says commitment. But perhaps he wasn't going to say it. . It sounded more obvious when I heard it in the radio but perhaps it was just me.

I think if someone promises something they are saying they won't, end off. A commitment implies even if it doesn't work out, it would still still be something they are aiming for.

You think promises are always broken? That is beyond weird. Have you had a very difficult life?

A promise is unequivocal.

A commitment means you’ll try.

Of course a commitment isn’t stronger than a promise.

If you’ve rewatched it, could you post the clip, please.

If you are turning out of a side street, then at some point you are committed because you can’t reverse into the person behind you or stop without blocking the road.
That’s stronger than a promise.

A good example of every day use of commitment there.
But we don’t use the word promise when talking about driving so no direct comparison.

The commitment only happens in your example because an action has started.
Labour are not yet the Government.

Its an interesting thread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69111362
There's a 46 second clip on wealth and taxes but I can't seem to do copy and paste.

This one is him in close up and there's no hint he's saying anything other than "commitment". I've tried listening with my eyes closed and there's the briefest of pauses and change of tone, so I think I just misheard it the first time.

@TheRainItRaineth sorry, the " won't" was only meant in this context. They won't raise taxes. Rather than committed which is the intention.

Anyway I think I got it wrong so as you were..

Rubbish. Try again

Even worse - "we have no plans." Well as the host put it to the socialist politician, "we all know what is mean by, we have no plans.." and almost all of the audience lol

The bottom line, you are stuffed if you have worked hard, been prudent with your money, bought your own place and are near or above average wages and have a private pension you pay good money towards. Look at Wales, Labour is reviewing property council tax banding and if you've improved your place, or extended it, be ready for a massive hike in council taxes on top of what most labour coucils have already implemented

And with the worst educational results and forced Welsh lessons, Wales isn’t an attractive place to live for some. MPs are looking into why younger people are leaving Wales. I sometimes feel it’s a polarizing place. It’s very difficult for incomers to integrate at times.

I think people paying rent in the private sector are the most stuffed.

People need to listen to what he's not saying!!

it's infuriating that so many are being hoodwinked by his sound bites and not understanding the bits he's avoiding

In the context of an election campaign it’s not ‘an assumption’ that you’ll do it in government. It is an explicit statement.

There are contexts where someone saying ‘I’m committed to the goal of…’ might be a bit meaningless but that’s not what’s going on at the moment.

The code isn’t that difficult to understand: ‘we have no plans’ leaves the possibility that their plans might change. ‘We won’t’ ‘We are not going to’ ‘we promise, pledge, commit not to’ don’t leave any wiggle room.
We are certainly stuffed if we don’t get rid of the current shower, who have let schools, hospitals, roads and the public sphere in general decline so inexcusably far.

Thank you
The "code" is used for avoidance of straightforward lying, where possible!!!

He must think those that vote for him are fools, otherwise he'd be clear via a YES, or a No!!

We are indeed "stuffed" -
I was a tory voter as is/was my family as we areand bottom line, you/we are stuffed if you have worked hard, been prudent with your money, bought your own place and are near or above average wages and have a private pension you pay good money towards. Look at Wales, Labour is reviewing property council tax banding and if you've improved your place, or extended it, be ready for a massive hike in council taxes on top of what most labour coucils have already implemented

As Farage stated and I'm a no fan of the chance that will join anyone that will have him - he said labour and Tories were in it together and he has a point

The lot of them are treating those that vote for them like prized fools.

you/we are stuffed if you have worked hard, been prudent with your money, bought your own place and are near or above average wages and have a private pension you pay good money towards.

Would you like taxes solely to be levied on the poor?

@AmelieTaylor On numerous threads, posters think Labour have a magic wand to fix everything. Austerity isn’t the only policy that’s harmed UK. Covid spending (and many wanted even more to be spent) and Brexit are massive culprits too.

We now have Brexit supporters lurching towards Reform. All they say, when asked, is that Reform tell it as it is”. I’m not not convinced they have costed policies at all. There’s nowhere near enough going to be raised by what Labour are taxing and “growth” is elusive too. Way to dependent on circumstances and global economics, and slow to respond to government intervention. Green energy has been banged on about for decades now and we surcharge bills for it already so that’s a slow growth area in reality.

Its precisely what’s not being said that matters. However the great British public doesn’t appear to ask the right questions and lets politicians be evasive. I actually am beginning to think many aren’t very bright and are easily persuaded by rhetoric.

No politician from any party will ever make a promise/commitment that doesn't give them some wiggle room for unexpected events that can lead to them being accused of broken manifesto promises.
There is nothing surprising in that at all.