£12 billion saving on welfare?

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What do you think that actually means? Does it mean even fewer civil servants ( which translates to longer waiting to get a benefit you are entitled to?) Or a reduction of payments to those worse off who need to receive, and in some cases, are entitled to those benefits?

Sunak doesn't say. What do you say?

It means kicking lots of people with physical or MH conditions off benefits & to hell with the consequences for them.

Presumably, it means taking steps to reverse the explosion in the numbers of people claiming sickness benefits because they are allegedly incapable of working due to anxiety & depression since covid. Lockdowns & furlough showed people that working for a living was essentially optional and life on benefits was a viable & available alternative.

It means punishing the vulnerable.

Either they will start culling pensioners or disabled people.
Most people on benefits are not living the high life.

It means taking money from sick and disabled people and not giving two shits about it. They killed plenty of them before and they won’t be afraid to do it again.

mixture of both.... thou i don't believe they will save £12 billion.

They will remove sick note to capita which will cost money in admin.

They will cut civil servant jobs making it more difficult to get anything sorted.

It's frustrating but I don't believe Labour will be any better.

@Guavafish1 why ?
Why can’t another lot have a go ? When you lasted voted Tory did you trust them to improve things despite being in power most of the 20th century ?

@NerdWhoEatsMedlar
I wouldn't say there were many of the working population 'living the high life' either. It pisses me off to think the only people who supposedly struggle are those on benefits. Simply not true.

Tell @RishiSunak , that you are not happy and would like others to suffer more.

I think we are all well aware that life just above the benefit line is quite tight.

It should mean making employers pay decent wages so there’s no need for in work benefits. But given it’s a Tory policy that seems unlikely.

It means harnessing the ableism that pollutes society. Especially ableism towards those with mental health difficulties.

Usual Tory policies - take from the poor, give to the rich.

Yep. Gotta give the poor landlords their tax breaks.

Civil servant pay isn't counted as part of the welfare bill.

What it will actually mean is continued victimisation of a very vulnerable group of people.

Aren't they planning something horrible for people on PIP? Seems to be cropping up a fair bit.

Having recently discovered what a woman is the Tories plan now to use this knowledge to remove benefits from them.

Of the £340 billion spent on social welfare, half is spent on state pensions. That means that the £12 billion will all be coming out of the £170 billion spent on welfare for children and those under state pension age.

The welfare budget is clearly getting out of hands - it can't be sustained in it's current form and needs reviewing ASAP.

Getting rid of civil servants is not a welfare benefit saving. Most of them don't work for the DWP, and even those who do aren't paid out of the welfare budget. Sunak wants rid of PIP. He made that clear long before he called an election. When people show you who they are, believe them.

If that genuinely were the policy then I could get behind it. How can a company justify paying its bosses and share holders more than they could possibly need and yet still have to have its workers on benefits?

Hear hear

Evidence of this?

Again- evidence please? This is a serious matter that you are suggesting??

22.7 billion unclaimed benefits last year. They don't need to do anything to reduce the benefits bill. People not claiming what they're entitled to do it for them.