Election Question: any party brave enough to let us have another EU vote

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YANBU : yes please let’s have another EU vote (assuming they want us back)

YABU : no out means out

We can't keep having repeated votes until people get the result they want. This wouldn't be another referendum on whether to leave - it would be a vote to rejoin. And we would be financially shafted ... several EU countries are basically bankrupt.

We could certainly have a vote on whether to rejoin, but we'd need to check with the EU over what terms they'd want. Aside from our level of contributions (we were always a net contributor when in), new joiners are supposed to adopt the Euro. Unless you want another few years of uncertainty after the vote whilst (assuming the vote was to rejoin) we negotiate the terms.

No party is offering it because it's not really very practical at present and would end up wasting even more money I suspect.

How long would OP allow after rejoining before another leave vote could be held?

Agree with PP, no point in voting on rejoining as the terms would be very different. I would imagine one condition would be that we adopt the euro.

I think Labour have said they'd negotiate for a Norwegian style arrangement

That would be a sure fire way to swell the numbers of Reform.
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I wish I could wake up and Brexit be just a bad dream. However, you can’t just have a vote and magically rejoin. We would have switch to Euro for a start. It would cost billions and take years and that’s assuming that the UK vote would even be to rejoin and that the EU would let us. I think at some point far away, we will have friendlier relations with benefits like freedom of movement, but not in my lifetime. And I’m not old.

Why stop at Brexit? Why not spend their entire term and all of their budget reversing all the decisions that the previous party made? And then when the next party get elected, they can do the same and re-reverse those decisions. And nothing ever advances or gets better for the general public, who are paying for it all.

If it was the case that they were inviting us back with open arms, on the terms we had before and with a promise to just sweep it all under the rug and not mention it again, then you might have a case. But I suspect that there are a few countries watching us right now to see how the next few years play out and whether we’ve actually gone completely insane or whether it’s short term pain for long term gain. If we were to ask to come back, I think they’d want to make an example out of us to discourage any other countries doing anything similar.

Has anybody considered the EU might tell us to fuck off?

Not quite sure why we would want to.

Europe is in trouble atm. We're getting close to finishing our rather painful extraction from it, fortunately without the appearance of project fear.

Now there is a chance to see what opportunities life outside the EU offers.

Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year. The tories should never have had the referendum. You can't trust the Tories with the economy.

The initial vote showed that Joe Public just isn’t bright enough or good enough at critical thinking to be trusted to vote on something so important anyway. Why would we want a round 2!?

Brexit is costing the UK £100 billion a year

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-31/brexit-is-costing-the-uk-100-billion-a-year-in-lost-output?embedded-checkout=true

Because those who were unable to understand the ramifications in theory, particularly when they were misrepresented and veiled with smokescreens and lies, have now had the opportunity to experience them. If people were able to vote again they could at least do so with the benefit of knowing what they were voting for.

I think it’s too soon, which is easy for me to say because I’m moving to an EU country soon.

As demographics change, young people will want to be back in Europe with all the opportunities that it provides.

The EU will have the UK back but not on the excellent deal we had before.

I always thought that the 'in or out' vote was simplistic and wrong, and both sides of the political and media debates insulted the electorate by pushing this.

In my opinion, instead of a in/out 'vote', we should have negotiated hard for some kind of pre-Maastricht style free market agreement.

I am disgusted with the right wing of the Conservative party who demanded this, and for the left wing of the Labour party who did little or nothing to resist.

So, I blame Conservative and Labour in equal measure.

This said, if Labour get a second term (presuming they win this year), then the EU debate is not going to go away, and Labour will need to address it.

I'll say that again - the EU debate is not going to go away - and some kind of new relationship with the EU, if not membership, is inevitable.

Given an unstable political landscape in the UK, and that we are positing a scenario were ONE political party is espousing rejoining, this is precisely what the EU would do.

All the talk about deals/adopt the Euro/and so on, is moot quite frankly, because until the UK's entire political establishment and the overwhelming majority of the public are united, and utterly desperate to rejoin, the EU simply will not entertain the notion of it to any serious degree.

Labour sets us on the path to rejoining in 2030, Tories win the 2029 GE and scrap the whole thing. So farcical that you could actually see it happening if it was solely a question of the tinpot UK, but the EU isn't as bloody stupid.

Labour didn't hold the referendum and would not have done. Blaming them equally for us bumbling out of the single market is ridiculous. This is on the tories I'm afraid. The tories got us into this mess.

Let me guess, project fear didn't work last time so now it's time for project fear #2 ?

We’re stuck with it, unfortunately. Hopefully some of the worst effects could be mitigated with some renegotiation.

Only the SNP promise a vote to rejoin the EU - but only for an independent Scotland.

I'd like the historic great mistake to be reversed. However, no one is going to propose that this decade.

Just hope the next government can have a sensible relationship with the EU. I would say not a childish one, but to compare the Tory government's relationship with the EU with children is to insult children.

What is odd is that in 1974 when there was a discussion to go in, it went far better and was conspicuously more factual. Something very different happened over 40 years later when we had done very well out of that decision; we had become stupider? It still amazes me how we had made ourselves the best deal in the EU and people voted to chuck it away.

Parties discussing what relationship they want to have with the EU in the future and how they would want to get there, great, but YABU to call for another vote - not because out means out, but because as many said we can't keep doing the elections just because Remain failed to put much effort in the first time.

I didn't have a vote, just a bystander being dragged along. As others said, the government was ridiculous having it as in/out and their Remain's campaign was awful as was the wider Remain campaign. They completely ignored that the status quo was very clearly not going to be good enough. They largely ignored anything that wasn't "People who don't like the EU are racists" even though governments had repeatedly used the EU as a scapegoat for problems they didn't want to work on for many years.

They, like any incumbent, should have listened and campaign on what changes they could do to help with the concerns people have. The UK could have put in more immigration restrictions as many other EU countries have, they could have campaign on adult education and retraining, they could have been open about the issues within the EU and how the UK can handle it - it's not like they didn't love using the EU as a kicking post for shite they didn't like or people complained about loud enough. They could have done a fuck ton - but they didn't. They treated it like a joke and now we're all dealing with the punch line. Hopefully lessons will be learned and we can move forward, we can't do that spinning our wheels on another election, we need new parties to have new plans.

No because they all know its no longer our decision. The EU ( all 27 countries) have to allow us back. If one says no, its a no. It woukd be extremely embarrassing if we went through a referendum, got a vote to go back in and then they said no.