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General election 2024

Voting age may be reduced to 16 apparently. Good idea?

335 replies

Nanny0gg · 25/05/2024 15:09

As it says in the title. Labour still seems keen on this idea. Personally I think it's bonkers - I look at my DGC and they are just not old enough yet.

AIBU?

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SerendipityJane · 25/05/2024 16:01

Worth bearing in mind a vote is worthless though. So not much fretting to do.

yogpot · 25/05/2024 16:01

QueenOfHiraeth · 25/05/2024 15:16

I think it's a cynical move by Labour as they suspect they will get more votes from the young just as the Tories do the same with older voters.
16 year olds are very variable, I had one who would have enjoyed voting, investigating and decision making (not to mention arguing about it!) but had another one who would have had no clue and, I suspect, would vote based on very spurious reasons.

So, variable… like most adults then?

CurlewKate · 25/05/2024 16:03

So they can get married, join the army and have sex but not vote?

CurlewKate · 25/05/2024 16:04

@QueenOfHiraeth "16 year olds are very variable, I had one who would have enjoyed voting, investigating and decision making (not to mention arguing about it!) but had another one who would have had no clue and, I suspect, would vote based on very spurious reasons."

So, just like people, then!

SerendipityJane · 25/05/2024 16:04

CurlewKate · 25/05/2024 16:03

So they can get married, join the army and have sex but not vote?

To be fair, if they are getting married, joining the army and having sex, they probably haven't got time to vote.

BIWI · 25/05/2024 16:05
Grin
AmelieTaylor · 25/05/2024 16:06

Meadowfinch · 25/05/2024 15:15

It's a ridiculous idea.

Since the election was announced my ds (16 in August) has wanted to discuss politics and all that is wrong with the UK.

Most of his 'facts' come from weird random AMERICANS on YouTube.

He thinks the only way to solve the UK's problems is to have a military coup, with him in charge. 😂

@Meadowfinch

He may be onto something there 😂😂😂😂😂

16 year olds are not experienced enough to vote

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AmelieTaylor · 25/05/2024 16:07

SerendipityJane · 25/05/2024 15:11

Why not if they pay tax ?

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION !!!!

Very few of them do pay tax.

& please stop SHOUTING

BarHumbugs · 25/05/2024 16:10

FKAT · 25/05/2024 15:29

What taxes? Because my 10 year old pays VAT on the pocket money crap he buys.

Will children paying VAT on their school fees now be eligible to vote?

I think the number of children 16-18 paying tax on income is vanishingly small.

Any 16 year old earning enough to put themself through private school must be pretty astute!

AmelieTaylor · 25/05/2024 16:12

Summertimer · 25/05/2024 15:26

Drop the silly ID check thing is my advice and keep it at 16. Introduce a proper ID card for those 18 yr olds instead of making them get a provisional license

@Summertimer

They don't need a provisional, they can simply apply for voter ID

AmelieTaylor · 25/05/2024 16:16

bozzabollix · 25/05/2024 15:31

I work with young people. A lot of them have more political knowledge than older people because they’re not reading the same propaganda shitrag each day.

If they’re old enough to die for our country - I know a 16yo about to join up - then they should be able to vote.

@bozzabollix

they might sign up, but they won't be sent on Active Duty at 16. No risk of dying for our country. Thank Fuck

ResisterRex · 25/05/2024 16:17

FKAT · 25/05/2024 15:24

Young people vote less than older people. 1/3 of 18-24s voted in the Brexit referendum vs 90%+ of over 60s.

I think like the SNP this is an overton window thing. Lower the voting age and suggest other legal ages might be lower too. You know, in line with 'best practice' in European countries where the age of consent is 14.

Remember it's still legal in Scotland to get married at 16 when England and Wales have banned it.

It's this. Child safeguarding is going to be in a very sorry state if these kinds of ideas end up on the statue books.

AmelieTaylor · 25/05/2024 16:19

TheFairyCaravan · 25/05/2024 15:32

I think it’s a good idea, and they definitely should have been able to have voted in the Brexit referendum. They had their lives completely screwed over without any say whatsoever.

@TheFairyCaravan

on what basis would a CHILD make that decision?

it was difficult for adults to fully understand the consequences, how do you really expect children to have made a knowledgable decision?

ByCupidStunt · 25/05/2024 16:20

SerendipityJane · 25/05/2024 15:20

So no votes for anyone claiming benefits then.

Righty ho.

benefit claimants do pay tax, but they are paid net so might not understand that they are in fact tax payers.

roarrfeckingroar · 25/05/2024 16:21

SerendipityJane · 25/05/2024 15:11

Why not if they pay tax ?

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION !!!!

How about no representation without taxation?

People who don't contribute not getting a vote..

AmelieTaylor · 25/05/2024 16:26

CurlewKate · 25/05/2024 16:04

@QueenOfHiraeth "16 year olds are very variable, I had one who would have enjoyed voting, investigating and decision making (not to mention arguing about it!) but had another one who would have had no clue and, I suspect, would vote based on very spurious reasons."

So, just like people, then!

@CurlewKate

16 year olds are people!

just young ones.

Spikyplant · 25/05/2024 16:28

Most 16 year olds won't be interested so won't vote anyway. The 16 year olds who will vote are the ones interested in politics and probably know more than most adults. So I'm all for it.
I'm more concerned about my older relatives who get all their information from the daily mail...

EwwSprouts · 25/05/2024 16:38

Not in favour. We agreed up to 18 years they need to be in education or training. Partly because we now know brains take lot longer to develop. There's another thread somewhere on here where a lot of posters are querying when do young people become critical thinkers? It's not at 16 before they've even got their GCSEs.

CurlewKate · 25/05/2024 16:44

@AmelieTaylor "16 year olds are people!"

That was rather my point!

lavendermouse · 25/05/2024 16:46

I work with yr11. Some of them can't even tell the time on an analogue clock.
I don't think the majority have enough life experience or critical thinking skills to vote. But that's just my opinion.

OvaHere · 25/05/2024 16:49

If they lower the age you can vote to age 16 will the age you can become an MP have to change too? Currently that is 18. Would we be okay with 16 year old MPs too?

Not likely they'd be elected of course but it's always a possibility.

keffie12 · 25/05/2024 17:12

Actually, in Scotland and Wales, young people can vote at 16 now. Scotland also allowed 16 plus to vote in the Brexit vote. Pity the rest of the U.K. didn't allow it, too.

I know plenty of midlife and older people who have the maddest reasons for voting how they do.

You have only got to look at the brick result to know that.

We will be just catching up with the other home nations

keffie12 · 25/05/2024 17:13

Brick meaning Brexit 🙄 at me

Heatherbell1978 · 25/05/2024 17:23

I used to think it was a bad idea because 16 year olds don't really have a clue about things like this. Then we had Brexit and I realised that many older people don't either. And those that voted for Brexit have well and truly shafted the younger generation because of their own racist views. So yes, 16 year olds should be able to vote.

BIWI · 25/05/2024 17:27

I'm Grin at the idea of somehow when you're older than 16 you suddenly know what to think/what you're talking about.

You only have to read a handful of threads here about politics to realise just how ignorant many, many posters are. Yet they're allowed to vote.