Looking for Kate Moore(born 1882)

[Honneybunny]

I am looking for my dh's g-grandmother.
Her name was Kate Moore and she was born in August 1882. At 19, she emigrated to Montreal in Canada (in 1901). She was enlisted as a passenger on the "Tunisian", which called in Liverpool and Londonderry before crossing to Canada, and arrived in Montreal in July 1901.

There she met my dh's g-grandfather, Thomas Heath Haviland (abt 1910?), and they had 3 children together. She is listed on the 1911 census of Canada, as living in Montreal (Maisonneuve district) with her husband and their 3month old son.

I would like to find her birth certificate, but have so far drawn blanks, due to Moore being a relatively common last name.

I have found through the findmypast website three listings for girls named Kate Moore in the months July-Sept 1882, in Hampstead, Islington and Dewsbury. How would I go about finding if either of these could be g-grandmother Kate?

Any help appreciated!

Actually, I now found out that she emigrated already in 1887. Still looking for parents/birth certificate though...

Do you think she emigrated on the "Polynesian" in 1886 from Liverpool to Halifax, Nova Scotia?

If so then other family members listed were an Alfred aged ~7 and Cath aged ~33.

Searching for an Alfred Moore born 1880/1879
gives just one match v Hampstead, Islington and Dewsbury;

Births Mar 1880Â Alfred Moore Islington.

Do you know how to order birth certificates for £7 from gro? I think they do a checking service so you can ask them to check if the mother is "Cath".

Of course this could all be completely wrong. That's the thing with family history...

Thomas Heath Haviland find the marriage papers to this man in canada - i am not sure how the marriage papers work in cananda but if the marriage papers/records name the father this will help - as you can then hopefully track the father on the birth certificate - basicly when you contact the gro to order a birth certificate you don't want the certificate unless the father is xxx name the same as the marriage record.

Hurry though as the price goes to £9 on 6 April 2010

Thanks for useful info tabouleh and ivykaty.

interesting.. after a lot of searching yesterday, i found what I think is the family in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census in Montreal, Canada. Kate's siblings are Richard (1874), Ellen (1877) and Alfred (poss Thomas Alfred) (1879), dad Thomas and mum Catherine.

For all of them it lists that they were born in Angleterre, and year of immigration is 1887.

Kate's own children are Richard, Edward and Ruth.
I am determined to find Kate's birthplace.
Gosh this is addictive!

what was tomas occupation on the census in Canada?

charroyeur de pierre = he transported rocks???

ok - I have looked ont he 1881 census without luck of finding a Thoams and catherine with an Ellen and Richard and Alfred - but there are a few variations on the chidren and parents names?

try www.familysearch.org then go to advanced search and oalong the side you will see census - you can search the 1881 census for free

I am struggling and wondering... i will ponder

Hi Ivykaty
Found them! They are in Caistor in 1881. I am pretty confident they are the right family. I found the marriage entry in Montreal for TH Haviland and Kate Moore, in which Kate's parents are mentioned as Samuel Thomas Moore and Catherine Smythe. The family in Caistor is listed as living with the wife's sister, whose name is Mary Smythe. The wife is Caroline (not Catherine), the husband is Thomas S Moore. The children are Samuel R (which I assume is R for Richard), Hellen G (which would be Ellen) and Alfred T (which is Alfred Thomas). Ages match with the ages I have from the 1891 census in Montreal.
The occupation for Thomas S listed is wood and stone carver.
Gosh, isn't it amazing what you can find....

so does that mean do you think that the correct birth location is Islington (out of the three possibles you gave)

because there was an Alfred as well as a Kate born there (see my post above) so as you've come across Alfred again in the census it could be the same family?

no, actually, it turned out Kate was born in 1881, not 1882.

i found her mother (caroline/catherine/kate/katherine depending on the source) in grimsby in both 1871 and 1881 census (sorry, not caistor as i wrote in previous message).

in 1871 she is under her maiden name (smythe) living with her sister mary. thomas moore is living with his father (who is a rock and wood carver) a few doors down the road. kate is at no 99 and thomas at 117. thomas's dad is lemuel. in 1881 they have married and are both living with sister mary smtyhe at 99.

in kate moore's marriage record (to Thomas heath haviland) both her parents are listed, as katherine smythe and lemuel thomas moore.

i found an entry for a kate moore in jul-sept 1881 in lincoln, which is near enough to grimsby to make me think this might be her.

i have not found the actual boat that the family sailed over to canada on and when this happened, but it must have been before 1891 when the whole family is living in montreal (they are listed on the census as having entered canada in 1887). i think they may have gone seperately, thomas going ahead with (possibly) two of the children, to find a house a job etc. i did find a katherine moore with two children alfred and kate of the right age crossing in jul 1886.

by themselves none of these records would be too convincing, but the collective of them makes me pretty convinced that i have the right family now.

thanks for both your help.