Help with search please

[ShanniD]

Hi all, I'm searching for the Birth of my Father-in-Law for my husband.
I've searched all Genealogy sites with no luck. I applied to HSE.ie for a copy of his birth certificate with the details as we believe to be correct, but HSE.ie have said they have no record of him. They said either he wasn't registered or we have some of the information wrong.
My FIL mother was adopted, we don't know if she used her birth or adopted maiden name (he's siblings that are still alive, have birth certificates have her adopted maiden name on them).
I'm wondering if maybe he was born out of wedlock and they never registered him, his actual birth year is different to what they've always believed him to be, or some other reason.
I have tried the church where all his siblings were Baptised but they have no record matching the information I've given neither.

My husbands mothers birth year was actually 3years before she always thought it to be, so I'm wondering if this is the case with his dad too.
The D.O.B we have (always known it to be) is 27 Oct 1929 Dublin Ireland.
I'm at a brick wall and don't know where else to search. Can anyone at all give some advise please?

Did he move to the UK or live in Ireland all his life?

Hi harriettenightingale, thank you for taking the time to read and reply.
He was born & raised in Dublin, Ireland and moved to Birmingham UK possibly in his 20's

I have found some that don't have the mothers name on them but has no preview of the registration, so don't know if maybe one of these could be him. Problem is its not an unusual name and there's hundreds with the same name to go through 😩

Are there any war records that might help narrow down his age. In England there was a register in 1939 which showed where everyone was living but isn’t a full census. So there may be something similar you could extrapolate from using his mothers or siblings details for the search.

My FIL had a slightly different surname to his brother, because a spelling error was made when registering his birth. It was only the difference between one or two letters, for example "att" instead of "et" or "err" instead of "ir", but of course it made their names entirely different.
He was registered in the 1920s like your FIL, not back in the 1800s when mistakes might be expected!
So it might be worth you considering the surname, and doing some searches for similar sounding names, different spellings etc.

Hi Pashazade, thank you for taking the time to read and reply.
I have tried everything possible, but it is so hard to research too much in Ireland due to documents being destroyed in the fire in 1922 and also as some of them went by their middle name instead of their given name. Some also had names and D.O.B's mixed up and documented incorrectly due to spelling, handwriting unreadable, etc. My MIL was born in Ireland too, she always thought she was born in 1934, it turned out she was born in 1931, this was due to the handwriting of the registrar at the time.

Yes that’s what I was thinking when I asked when he moved here from Ireland. I wondered if he’d be on that because they have dates of birth.

I think you may have more success with parish registers than official birth registers. Back in 1929 every child would need to be baptised within about two weeks of being born, when my elder brother and sisters were born in 1940s at Holles Street Hospital, my mother was not permitted to leave before they were dunked!

Does your FiL know which area he was born in Dublin? If yes, then you need to look at local churches, together with Magdalen Laundries as well as mother and baby homes. You might find this guide from the Magdalene Group which explains tracing and how mothers were sent to other organisations, too... it migt be the key to this door for you: https://jfmresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Research-Guide-for-Magdalene-Survivors_April-2016.pdf

Good luck!

Have you had any luck with your search OP? Is it possible that the parents/mother moved to the north of Ireland at any time and he might have been registered there? If he was indeed born out of wedlock in the 1920s the mother might well have been 'sent away', to a mother and baby home far from family. Irish HSE wouldn't have any record in that case, it would be the NI Registry. I am researching my family on a genealogy site (also dealing with adoption - my father) and many of them seem to have crisscrossed the border like nobody's business!