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A mystery

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username3678 · 13/10/2024 03:55

I found a grave and wondered if anyone could give me a clue as to how to find out more about it
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/236752563/somebodies-darling

There's no name, it's just called Somebodies Darling, date of death is 28 August 1878, Maldon Essex

This obviously peaked my interest. I'm assuming that a body was found and a rich person took it upon themselves to bury them or the council did.

Somebodies Darling (unknown-1878) - Find a Grave...

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/236752563/somebodies-darling

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username3678 · 20/11/2024 22:01

PreFabBroadBean · 20/11/2024 21:55

I just checked in the newspapers again, using those dates, and found her court case 🙂

That's amazing. So she had moved to London at 18.

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username3678 · 20/11/2024 22:15

StrawberryTriflng · 20/11/2024 21:38

You may already have this, in which case apologies:
Register number 268
Allen, Louisa
Date and place of committal: May 27 Guildhall May 31 1879
Assault
Sentence: 2 months
Age: 18
Trade or occupation: Prostitute
Religion and Birth Place: P (?), Spinster, Malden, Essex
Date of discharge and remarks: 31 May 79 at Guildhall
(Source Newgate Prisons, London: Register of Prisoners)

Thanks. That's why I couldn't find her details at the Old Bailey.

P for Protestant perhaps.

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PreFabBroadBean · 20/11/2024 22:31

I think you're right about P for Protestant.

So she had moved to London at 18
In 1868 above, George said he gave the bags to his daughters, who were living in London, so Louisa had perhaps originally gone to visit her older sisters there.

username3678 · 20/11/2024 22:45

PreFabBroadBean · 20/11/2024 22:31

I think you're right about P for Protestant.

So she had moved to London at 18
In 1868 above, George said he gave the bags to his daughters, who were living in London, so Louisa had perhaps originally gone to visit her older sisters there.

That's really interesting. Thanks

I'm trying to find the Guildhall court archives but am not having much luck. (I'm not very good at this!).

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Halsall · 20/11/2024 23:31

And the infamous Three Tuns in Aldgate is still there!

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username3678 · 20/11/2024 23:34

Halsall · 20/11/2024 23:31

And the infamous Three Tuns in Aldgate is still there!

How interesting! It doesn't look like it's changed.

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Halsall · 20/11/2024 23:38

username3678 · 20/11/2024 23:34

How interesting! It doesn't look like it's changed.

Hopefully the clientele aren't fighting with tumblers any more, though. Funnily enough it seems to have cropped up in another court case in 1863 when a man was killed at Wilton's Music Hall not that far away. The landlord and a waiter gave evidence.

StandingSideBySide · 21/11/2024 00:05

Unfortunately this isn’t the original pub building
It was around in 1747 but this is a newer building from 1938.
According to the current owners Jack the Ripper hid in the pubs cellars ….. nice place then ! It’s possible as his fourth victim was just north at Mitre Square.

StandingSideBySide · 21/11/2024 00:09

I’m looking forward to the Netflix mini series on this Allen Family….😆

StrawberryTriflng · 21/11/2024 08:34

I hope you can read this.

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Halsall · 21/11/2024 08:38

StandingSideBySide · 21/11/2024 00:05

Unfortunately this isn’t the original pub building
It was around in 1747 but this is a newer building from 1938.
According to the current owners Jack the Ripper hid in the pubs cellars ….. nice place then ! It’s possible as his fourth victim was just north at Mitre Square.

Edited

Interesting, so it wasn’t even bombed then rebuilt?

Another2Cats · 21/11/2024 08:52

A lot of posts overnight. Just to add to the story about Louisa's fight, that article was from "The Illustrated Police News" of 14 June 1879. This was a weekly newspaper that featured sensational reports (and illustrations on the front page) of murders and other crimes.

I wouldn't have thought that two women having a fight in a pub would be newsworthy, but there you go. One thing I found funny from the report was the very last sentence "She was removed to the cells waving her handkerchief". Defiant to the end it seems.

Also, Louisa had form for this sort of thing. There are two earlier reports of her being up before the bench and it looks like she may have ended up doing time on at least one occasion. The first was when she was just 13, where she turned up to court on her own.

The first from "The Essex Halfpenny Newsman" of 18 April 1874, page 4 col. 3

Petty Sessions

Maldon, April 14

Magistrates present - Dr May and W Humpherys Esq

A Girls' Quarrel

Louisa Allen, a young hopeful of 13 years, appeared in answer to a charge of assault and malicious injury to a dress, brought against her by another juvenile of the same age, named Mary Alice Rivers.

Dr May expressed his regret that the case had not been settled out of court and urged upon the complainant's father the advisability of arranging the matter, but there being no one present who would enter into any arrangement on Allen's behalf the case was allowed to go on.

From the evidence it appeared that on Tuesday last the complainant was in her yard, when Allen came up to her and demanded a marble, which she said belonged to her; Rivers politely informed her that she wouldn't get it, for it "worn't" hers. The penalty for this speech was to be taken up in Allen's arms, "chucked" on the ground, knocked about, have her hair pulled and dress torn.

The defendant made no defence, and the magistrates imposed a fine of 6d for the assault, 1s damage to dress, and costs (half of which the clerk remitted in consideration of her tender age), which brought the amount to 13s 6d

Allen's father was sent for to pay the amount, but he refused to do so, although the alternative would be a fortnight's confinement in gaol for his daughter, and on being informed that to prevent such an event happening she would be allowed a week for payment, Louisa informed the bench in anything but a respectful manner that she wouldn't pay nor would she allow her father to do so.
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The second is from 1877 and, if this Louisa is the mother of Edith then these events would have taken place while Edith was just four months old. Louisa is with her sister Margaret and brother in law Charles Yaxley

From "The Chelmsford Chronicle" of 30 Nov 1877 page 6 col. 5-6

Petty Sessions

Maldon, Nov 27

Magistrates present W Humpherys Esq (Mayor), J Barritt and A Warren Esqrs

The Police and the Public

Margaret Yaxley, Chas Yaxley and Louisa Allen, fish-hawkers, all of Maldon, were charged with riotous behaviour while drunk, on the night of Friday 23rd inst

The two first named defendants failing to appear, the service of the summonses upon them was proved by PC Balls, and warrants were directed to be issued. The case of the younger defendant, Louisa Allen, was proceeded with.

PC J Frost said: On the night in question he saw defendant in a thoroughfare leading from the Hythe to the Wants; she was drunk and two others were trying to pick her up; they were all down together and were using bad language; witness told her to go home, but she could not walk because she was so drunk; the three went up the Wants making a great noise, disturbing the inhabitants, and went into George Allen's house.

Defendant admitted being drunk, but endeavoured to excuse herself on the ground that some friends had induced her to take a glass or two, she denied that she made use of bad language, and stated that her sister Margaret Yaxley and Charles Yaxley were not drunk, but were trying to get her home, because she had a screaming fit and couldn't walk.

The bench inflicted a penalty of 3s 6d with costs, with the alternative of 14 days hard labour.

Margaret Yaxley and Charles Yaxley, the other two defendants, then came into the court having driven from Rochford.

The evidence of the constable was repeated so far as it was applicable and he further stated that an hour later both the defendants were fighting in the Wantz road.

The male defendant questioned him with a view to showing that he with his co-defendant were doing their best to get Louisa Allen home and were not drunk. The constable, however, was positive that all three were drunk, and very drunk, and were using disgusting language and making a noise.

Both defendants denied the offence and said they asked the constable to speak to Allen and tell her to go home because she might know his voice. They did their best to get her home. She was making a noise because she had a screaming fit, but they were quiet.

The bench convicted both defendants, fining them 2s 6d each and costs, or seven days hard labour.

BuddhaofSuburbia · 21/11/2024 08:59

I love these threads.

StrawberryTriflng · 21/11/2024 09:04

I love the unfolding mystery of genealogy. What a find the head stone is proving to be.

Halsall · 21/11/2024 09:08

Louisa's life sounds hard and very unhappy - in court at 13, on her own, defiant, and it just got worse and worse. Nobody to help her get on the right path. And poor baby. Life was so unforgiving for those who were struggling.

Hoolahoophop · 21/11/2024 09:30

I am loving this thread, saw it in active and clicked because I have links to Maldon so it caught my interest, now i feel like in the live investigation stage of a house through time.

You are all amazing detectives! Thanks for sharing all your finds.

StrawberryTriflng · 21/11/2024 10:45

Looking for census results for Louisa Allen and Margaret and Charles Yaxley, I found Ann Elizabeth Yaxley was born Q4 1875 in Maldon, mother’s maiden name Allen. Annie Elizabeth Yaxley was buried Q4 1875 in Maldon.
There is a record for Margaret Allen, spinster, daughter of George Allen, hawker, marrying on 9 Dec 1872 at All Saints and St Peter, Maldon, Robert Jackson, bachelor, son of John Jackson book salesman. Both were noted as residents of St Peter.

Another2Cats · 21/11/2024 11:24

username3678 · 20/11/2024 22:45

That's really interesting. Thanks

I'm trying to find the Guildhall court archives but am not having much luck. (I'm not very good at this!).

The Prison Commission Records for 1770-1952 are on Ancestry. Here is the record for Louisa that @StrawberryTriflng gave yesterday.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/records?recordId=863048&collectionId=61810

Although this does cover a number of courts. I believe this particular document is a list of those initially held on remand in Newgate prison and then what the outcome was (eg discharged or sentence etc).

I'm not too sure if there is a separate list for the Guildhall Police Court.

There are other registers available on Ancestry as well, such as the Criminal Registers 1791-1892, but these are just for more serious crimes where somebody has a jury trial.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/records?collectionId=61810&recordId=863048

StrawberryTriflng · 21/11/2024 11:25

Could this be Louisa?

Louisa Smith, 54
(In H. M. Prison, Holloway):

21 Days, North London Police Ct., 26th Nov., 1902 (stealing shawl), as Mary Allen.
Fined or 7 Days, North London Police Ct., 28th Oct., 1903 (stealing water-proof), as Louisa Arrowsmith.
1 Mo., North London Police Ct., 18th Nov., 1903 (stealing bacon), as
Louisa Smith.
1 Mo, North London Police Ct., 22nd Jan., 1904 (stealing waterproof), as Louisa Arrowsmith.
I Mo., North London Police Ct., 30th Dec., 1905 (stealing coal scuttle), as Louisa Smith.
2 Mos., North London Police Ct., 12th Apr., 1909 (indeceney), as Louisa Armstrong.
3 Mos., North London Police Ct., 11th Aug., 1909 (indecency), as Louisa Armstrong.
3 Mos., North London Police Ct., 17th May, 1911 (indecency), as Louisa Armstrong.
3 Mos., North London Police Ct., 5th July, 1912 (indecency), as Louisa Armstrong.
4 Mos., County of London Sess, 22nd Oct., 1912 (incorrigible rogue), as Louisa Armstrong.
And 12 Summary Convictions for indecency, soliciting, &c.

Date of warrant 22 May; received into custody 14 May 1914.

Particulars of Offence or Offences as charged in the Indictment:
Incorrigible rogue-Being a common prostitute, did behave in a riotous and indecent manner in a certain public place.

Tried in North London Police Court on 27 May 1914.

Sentence: 6 months (hard labour) Holloway Prison (to be completed from 26 May 1914).

custardpyjamas · 21/11/2024 11:31

Ask in the church? The history of the grave may be well known to the vicar.

StrawberryTriflng · 21/11/2024 11:32

@Another2Cats Sadly, I cannot access the record in Ancestry for which you gave a link at 11:24. My info - screenshots and scanned text - comes from FMP.

StandingSideBySide · 21/11/2024 12:15

Halsall · 21/11/2024 08:38

Interesting, so it wasn’t even bombed then rebuilt?

No.
According to the London archive maps on bomb damage it was ‘damage, not structural’
Near miss though as all around it properties were totally destroyed !

Halsall · 21/11/2024 12:23

StandingSideBySide · 21/11/2024 12:15

No.
According to the London archive maps on bomb damage it was ‘damage, not structural’
Near miss though as all around it properties were totally destroyed !

I wonder what became of the original building. Just general redevelopment, I expect.

Another2Cats · 21/11/2024 12:28

StrawberryTriflng · 21/11/2024 11:32

@Another2Cats Sadly, I cannot access the record in Ancestry for which you gave a link at 11:24. My info - screenshots and scanned text - comes from FMP.

I just provided the Ancestry link to the same document that you provided from FMP. The OP said that she has joined Ancestry so that is why I have been giving Ancestry links.

btw

"Could this be Louisa?"

Yes, I think it could be.

4 Mos., County of London Sess, 22nd Oct., 1912 (incorrigible rogue), as Louisa Armstrong.

The record of this conviction is also on FMP and in the 22 Oct case it notes she was previously convicted for prostitution under the name of Louisa Allen.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA%2FCCC%2F2B%2FHO140%2F00504248&tab=this

For others, I have attached an image

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StandingSideBySide · 21/11/2024 12:34

The top part of the current pub looks deco. Early 19th century. So it’s definitely had more than one rebuild.
It was originally noted as having hung tiles when it was called Hennessy’s. Hung tiles were popular in the 17/18th centuries and used to face a timber framed building. The timber was probably rotting so it was rebuild in brick in the deco style and then later the lower part in 1939 to as we see it today.
Of note part of the Roman wall is in the cellar.

should have tagged you @Halsall