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Genealogy

Visiting The National Archives at Kew

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deeahgwitch · 16/09/2024 09:56

Knowledgeable Mumsnetters,
I'm wondering - Can I just rock up to Kew to research a relative who was naturalised or would you advise me to book a reading room visit.

I will be coming from abroad.
I have never been to Kew before so I have no idea what to expect.

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TheSquareMile · 16/09/2024 10:07

@deeahgwitch

You can, but I would be inclined to suggest liaising with Kew directly before making the journey.

The National Archives can send copies of documentation when appropriate and you may find that this is more effective for you in terms of your time and financial outlay.

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/naturalisation-british-citizenship/

deeahgwitch · 16/09/2024 12:25

Thank you for your reply @TheSquareMile Flowers
I have got some information from Kew but I thought I would get more, it is very very basic - his name, date of birth and place he came from and I think if I actually go over to Kew I might get to see more information.

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TheSquareMile · 16/09/2024 12:33

deeahgwitch · 16/09/2024 12:25

Thank you for your reply @TheSquareMile Flowers
I have got some information from Kew but I thought I would get more, it is very very basic - his name, date of birth and place he came from and I think if I actually go over to Kew I might get to see more information.

@deeahgwitch

Are you hoping for information about some particular aspect, OP?

I'm asking because there might be more suitable sources of information for you.

When was the naturalisation?

deeahgwitch · 16/09/2024 12:43

It was around 1870. He became a naturalised British citizen. He came from a part of northern Germany that was annexed by Prussia.
I thought I would get information about his father/mother and his occupation, the reason for his naturalisation etc.

I followed your link @TheSquareMile but got nothing.
It states no records of him but I have already got some basic information before sent to me from the National Archives. think I paid for it.
I'm not in a position to root it out now as I am going to work.

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Another2Cats · 17/09/2024 21:15

"Can I just rock up to Kew to research a relative who was naturalised or would you advise me to book a reading room visit."

Yes, you can just turn up, but you will have to wait for them to locate any documents that you wish to consult.

I would very much recommend making an appointment as they will ensure that any documents you wish to see will be ready and waiting for you.

"I have never been to Kew before so I have no idea what to expect."

Coincidentally, another person asked about visiting Kew a few days ago and this was my reply to her:

Before actually visiting The National Archives (the NA) it's best to search online to see if they have the actual documents you're after.

Some records are available to download online. There is a charge of £3.50 to download these, but, if you register with the NA then they are free of charge.

Sometimes, records are not available to download. The only reason to actually visit the NA is if you want to see a document that is not available online.

Below is an image of the message you get when a document isn't available online. If you see this message then you have to go to Kew to see the document.

"I think you have to book a timeslot for Kew as well which will need some planning if not close."

No, you just need to book a particular day and you can turn up anytime on that day you like.

If you've never been to Kew before and you want to view any documents you first have to register for a Reader's Ticket online which you do when you book a visit:

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/book-a-reading-room-visit/

So, you say what date you want to visit and then provide a list of what documents you want to see.

They also have desks with camera stands. So you just screw your camera to the stand facing down (or attach your phone) and then instead of having to take notes or anything you can quickly and easily take a photo of every page of the documents that you are looking at.

This makes things so much easier but you do need to specifically request a desk with a camera stand.

The NA can be a bit of a trek to get to. I come into London on the train into Kings Cross and from there take the tube to Kew Gardens. It's then about a 10 min walk to the NA.

When you arrive there is a cafe there but it is horribly overpriced and not very nice.

You then put all the stuff you're not allowed to take into a locker:

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/visit-us/researching-here/can-take-reading-rooms/

and go upstairs. If you haven't been before then they will take your photo and print out your Reader's Ticket.

You then go into the reading room and head to the desk. They will typically have your documents waiting for you in a locker. You then go to that locker and take the document or documents and then go to the desk that you have been assigned.

You then take your photos or anything else that you want to do and then, when you're finished, you return the documents to a different desk.

But the thing is, unless you can find the documents you're looking for on the NA website then going there in person won't help you at all. You really do need to identify what documents you're interested in and for them not to be available to download.

"I have got some information from Kew but I thought I would get more, it is very very basic - his name, date of birth and place he came from and I think if I actually go over to Kew I might get to see more information."

Depending on when he was naturalised then other sources such as as the Ancestry website or the FindMyPast website (both of which require a payment) may be a better option.

Information up until 1939 is readily available. After that date there is really just births, marriages and deaths along with some electoral lists.

If you would like to send me a private message I can do a quick check on both of those websites (it'll just take 5 minutes or so) and can let you know if they have any information or not on the person you are looking for, to save you the expense of joining the websites if they don't have any further information on this person.

Book a visit to view our documents - The National Archives

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/book-a-reading-room-visit

deeahgwitch · 20/09/2024 19:51

Thank you so much for all the information @TheSquareMile and @Another2Cats. Flowers

I have been mad busy at work and didn't get a chance to reply to you both.

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TheSquareMile · 20/09/2024 20:46

deeahgwitch · 20/09/2024 19:51

Thank you so much for all the information @TheSquareMile and @Another2Cats. Flowers

I have been mad busy at work and didn't get a chance to reply to you both.

@deeahgwitch

Happy to help.

Have you been able to spot him on the Census during the years in which he was resident in the UK?

deeahgwitch · 21/09/2024 17:18

Yes. He's in a few of the censuses.

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deeahgwitch · 19/11/2024 15:40

I private messaged you @Another2Cats
Thank you so much. 💐

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deeahgwitch · 27/02/2025 09:24

@Another2Cats As private messaging has been curtailed by Mumsnet - rightly so because of appalling CSA messages being sent apparently, I can't private message you but just to let you know that info ( re Naturalisation ) came from the National Archives and was hugely disappointing. Really really basic information. Nothing dh and I didn't know before.
Nothing about the subject's origins.
Just name, where he lived, spouse, offspring.
Thank you for all your assistance.Flowers
I think I need to go to Kew to see if I'm missing something.

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Another2Cats · 27/02/2025 13:07

deeahgwitch · 27/02/2025 09:24

@Another2Cats As private messaging has been curtailed by Mumsnet - rightly so because of appalling CSA messages being sent apparently, I can't private message you but just to let you know that info ( re Naturalisation ) came from the National Archives and was hugely disappointing. Really really basic information. Nothing dh and I didn't know before.
Nothing about the subject's origins.
Just name, where he lived, spouse, offspring.
Thank you for all your assistance.Flowers
I think I need to go to Kew to see if I'm missing something.

There were two separate records at the National Archives. One started with a reference HO334 - that was the one that should have given you just those details.

There was another record that started with a reference HO144. That sounded a lot more promising. Did that not contain anything either?

deeahgwitch · 10/03/2025 09:18

No it didn't @Another2Cats
I am so disappointed.
Thank you for all the amazing information you gave me.
The adopted child Shock
Lots of questions there - never to be answered though.
My dh and I would so love to get information on CD's life before he came to England but no information like that was on it which is strange as I thought it would be - his mother, father, exactly where in Germany he was from - Hanover etc.

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deeahgwitch · 17/06/2025 12:34

Feel free @Another2Catsto send for those records yourself. You are so much better than me at ferreting out information. DH is even worse than me at it. He’s delighted with all you got already.
All CD told his very young wife about his origins could have been a lie. Could that adopted daughter be his child ?????

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IssaUser · 17/06/2025 13:55

Hi @deeahgwitch
Have you tried the Society of Genealogists? They have collections that may help and events. There's the Brick Wall Buster where genealogists help with suggestions. May be worth having a look there if you haven't. Good luck 🙂

deeahgwitch · 18/06/2025 19:45

Thank you @IssaUser

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deeahgwitch · 14/10/2025 10:33

With the recent Ancestry update that Germanic link appears to be gone .
Very odd.
DH has now been given 5% Southeastern England and Northwestern Europe which it states as Belgium, Channel Island, France and the Netherlands.

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deeahgwitch · 14/10/2025 10:34

Apologies that post was supposed to be addressed to @Another2Cats

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