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Interesting discoveries in your tree

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SecondStarOnTheRight · 25/04/2024 15:45

Has anyone found anything interesting in their family trees that they weren't aware of?

We've been researching our for a long time now, and though we haven't found anything worth of an episode of who do you think you are, the latest thing that's surprised me is the sheer size of my family.

Grew up believing my grandparents had relatively small families. Struggling to trace the cousins from one grandparent at the minute, but between the other 3 we've found 111 cousins!

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MrsMoastyToasty · 27/04/2024 09:43

One of my ancestors born in the mid victorian times and was the youngest child had the same name as his oldest brother. The oldest had died before he was born so was obviously named in memory of him.

pinkgown · 27/04/2024 16:11

SecondStarOnTheRight · 27/04/2024 09:22

I do love finding photos of people, how interesting to find a mugshot though 😂 have you been able to trace any prison records and such for him, assuming he was imprisoned?

Well, I have found records of him in jail in Aylesbury, Portsmouth, Wormwood Scrubs, Pentonville and Portland. With the time he spent in jail goodness knows when he found the time to father 8 children!

SecondStarOnTheRight · 27/04/2024 17:42

MrsMoastyToasty · 27/04/2024 09:43

One of my ancestors born in the mid victorian times and was the youngest child had the same name as his oldest brother. The oldest had died before he was born so was obviously named in memory of him.

We've had a couple of instances of this with siblings too. And then children sharing names with other relatives too.

One thing I've found interesting with names is the use of the mother's maiden name as the child's first/middle name. You can see then how surnames have become traditional first names as well. Its certainly helpful with tracing the female side of the family when that occurs.

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Turkeyhen · 27/04/2024 23:23

This isn't someone on my tree, but I wanted to share it with people who would appreciate it! So cute. Stumbled across it in the 1871 census.

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MrsAvocet · 27/04/2024 23:32

Not sure if it's interesting, or just sad, but I discovered that my grandfather had a sister who died in infancy who was never, to my knowledge, even mentioned in the family. I don't actually know if he remembered her as he would only have been about 3 or 4 himself when she died but my Dad certainly didn't know. As far as he was concerned his Dad had one elder brother who was killed in WW1. I just find it sad that this little girl lived for such a short time and was forgotten until I stumbled upon her baptism record on Ancestry and went hunting for more info.

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 27/04/2024 23:44

i have counted 3 instances where my dh family tree has married into my family tree (or vice versa) over the course of a few hundred years.
both of us have french canadian heritage both families arrived in canada around the same time but did not settle that close or follow the same work history (my side lots of farming).

it made using the ancestry site confusing when researching and seeing names highlighted as being related to me whilst working on dh tree.
very grateful for the catholic church and meticulous record keeping in the early years of canadian history. add in that initially there were only a few churches built so people travelled to said church to be married.
lots of names reused and weird names chosen based on a calendar that was used regionally (each day had the name of some seriously obscure saint) my mother remembers the calendar and that people would simply use that name.

Another2Cats · 28/04/2024 10:27

@CurlsnSunshinetime4tea "i have counted 3 instances where my dh family tree has married into my family tree (or vice versa) over the course of a few hundred years.
both of us have french canadian heritage"

French Canadians as a group are known for having intermarried quite a lot over the generations. Not only those in Canada but also Cajuns as well. (Cajuns are the descendants of Catholic French Canadians who were expelled from Canada and moved to present day Louisiana in the USA during the 1750s/60s)

But they weren't unique in this, this has also happened with other groups, for example early US colonial families, Puerto Ricans and Ashkenazi Jews.

"...it made using the ancestry site confusing when researching and seeing names highlighted as being related to me whilst working on dh tree."

Marrying within a limited range of families is referred to as "endogamy" and, yes, it does mean that you get these sorts of things happening.

I don't have any French Canadian connections but I do have connections with early US colonial families. When talking to distant relations, who are descendants of these families and are also studying their family tree and DNA, they have told me that they have found literally dozens of examples like this, finding ancestors on eg their father's tree who has a DNA link to their mother or that both their mother and their father have a DNA link to the same person.

Another thing with endogamy is that you end up with many more matches and also a lot of shared matches, precisely because families intermarried so much.

I have been told that it is not uncommon for French Canadians and Cajuns to have over 100,000 matches on Ancestry and it's a similar thing for those from early colonial US families to have 80-100,000+ matches.

In comparison, the branch of that family that I come from, stayed at home rather than moving to America and I come from a long and distinguished line of ... farm labourers and domestic servants. The men generally worked on farms and the unmarried women worked in domestic service or as laundresses.

There was the occasional butcher, baker and stocking maker though (but no candle stick makers!), a couple of blacksmiths and even one rabbit catcher but, on the whole, I come from a long line of what Americans (and maybe Canadians?) would probably call "rural rednecks" and almost all have lived within a 35 mile radius of a particular city in England (in fact, most lived within about a 20 mile radius) in small rural villages.

Despite this, there has been relatively little intermarrying between the different families which is probably down to the larger populations in England.

As a result, for example, my mum has around 20,000 matches on Ancestry, my dad has 18,000 and I have 16,000 compared with the much larger figures that people from endogamous communities come across.

Another2Cats · 28/04/2024 10:39

Just wanted to add to the above (I was too late to edit my post). The number of matches I give above show just how much of a difference it makes getting your parents or other people from earlier generations to do a DNA test.

I have 16,000 DNA matches on Ancestry, but my parents between them have 38,000 matches.

Going back one generation has more than doubled the number of DNA matches that I know are related to me.

SecondStarOnTheRight · 28/04/2024 10:49

Turkeyhen · 27/04/2024 23:23

This isn't someone on my tree, but I wanted to share it with people who would appreciate it! So cute. Stumbled across it in the 1871 census.

Aww that is cute!

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artfuldodgerjack · 28/04/2024 12:35

I found a photo of my dad on ancestry. Only thing is it was taken about 50 years before my dad was actually born... and in a country he's never been to.

Also, found another 5 siblings for my dad, including one with a different mother born in America. No idea how my gf ended up in America during the war, can't find any military records for him at all.

Menomeno · 28/04/2024 12:46

I also have 35(!!!!) DNA matches where we are distant cousins on both my Mum’s side and my Dad’s side.

Considering my parents come from different countries, it just goes to show how small the world is and how we’re all interlinked to a much greater extent than we’d expect.

Mymiddlenameiscynic · 28/04/2024 12:51

On my mother's side we were descended from a Lord. Found his former mansion (now a golf club/conference centre)

This was in the time of Elizabeth 1 who spent time there.

My mum was born bc and brought up in B s council house, so not sure what happened in the intervening years! 😂😂

SecondStarOnTheRight · 28/04/2024 13:59

Turkeyhen · 27/04/2024 23:23

This isn't someone on my tree, but I wanted to share it with people who would appreciate it! So cute. Stumbled across it in the 1871 census.

Its just dawned on me that the enumerator would have completed this. The little girl must have been having a natter with him. 🥹

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SecondStarOnTheRight · 28/04/2024 14:07

artfuldodgerjack · 28/04/2024 12:35

I found a photo of my dad on ancestry. Only thing is it was taken about 50 years before my dad was actually born... and in a country he's never been to.

Also, found another 5 siblings for my dad, including one with a different mother born in America. No idea how my gf ended up in America during the war, can't find any military records for him at all.

That's really strange, is it definitely him or an ancestor who looks like him?

That's interesting about your dad's siblings! Have you contacted the MOD to see if you can get a copy of his military records?

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MotherOfVizslas · 28/04/2024 14:11

I'd always been fascinated by Tudor history for years and years, but was absolutely floored to discover about a year ago that I am distantly (very!) related to Queen Elizabeth I through her Irish ancestors the Earls of Ormond. It was the best, most exciting discovery EVER.

artfuldodgerjack · 28/04/2024 14:46

It definitely wasn't my dad! Doppelgänger! The genes must be strong.
The crazy thing is, the woman who posted the photo knew who the two men he was with, as one was her great grandfather and the other his brother- but didn't know who my dad's doppelgänger was - however it must've been another brother who would have been my direct ancestor I suppose. Her great grandfather would have been my 1st cousin 4x removed according to ancestry.

Turkeyhen · 28/04/2024 15:31

@MotherOfVizslas that's an awesome discovery!

user09876543 · 28/04/2024 15:59

Mine has been quite surprising. I’ve gone back a very long way on my grandmothers side to the father of Richard Neville the Kingmaker. It’s particularly interesting since the war of the roses has always been a period DS1 has been fascinated by and we’ve long teased him that he was Richard III in a past life. As soon as you hit a titled person it becomes a lot easier to trace the records back.

SecondStarOnTheRight · 28/04/2024 16:03

MrsAvocet · 27/04/2024 23:32

Not sure if it's interesting, or just sad, but I discovered that my grandfather had a sister who died in infancy who was never, to my knowledge, even mentioned in the family. I don't actually know if he remembered her as he would only have been about 3 or 4 himself when she died but my Dad certainly didn't know. As far as he was concerned his Dad had one elder brother who was killed in WW1. I just find it sad that this little girl lived for such a short time and was forgotten until I stumbled upon her baptism record on Ancestry and went hunting for more info.

I find this quite sad, it seems to be attitudes of the time. I recently compared family tree notes with a relative who wasn't aware of some children we'd found who'd died in infancy.

Strangely enough we had the opposite with one side of the family who we knew how many children they had had. But looking from the birth records and censuses we couldn't find record of one of the children. Turned out the child was stillborn, hence why I couldn't find a birth record, but was always remembered by the family.

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ToBeOrNotToBee · 28/04/2024 16:04

Dad's side are German and Irish immigrants. Can't really trace them.

Mum's side have lived in the same small part of South London for 300+ years. I find it incredible that I live no more than 2.5 miles away from where my great great granny was born and 6 miles from where my great great great great grandad had a pub and sold quite famous pies.

It makes me feel very conflicted about wanting to leave London now, knowing I'm the last of the line.

SecondStarOnTheRight · 28/04/2024 16:07

MotherOfVizslas · 28/04/2024 14:11

I'd always been fascinated by Tudor history for years and years, but was absolutely floored to discover about a year ago that I am distantly (very!) related to Queen Elizabeth I through her Irish ancestors the Earls of Ormond. It was the best, most exciting discovery EVER.

Wow well done for getting so far back! We've managed to get up to about 1700s thanks to a very rare surname on one branch but without additional help I don't think we could get that far back.

Well done on achieving that!

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Strokethefurrywall · 28/04/2024 16:10

We've had a huge amount of interesting information in ours (both sides).
My dad has now been able to find the "ownership" papers from his great great grandfather which showed he was an owned slave - previously my dad was unable to find further back than general records on St Helena and nothing before that, but ancestry.com has unearthed additional detail.

My uncles on my maternal side were able to trace their welsh lineage (4% of it!) back to a tiny village in wales and the gravestone of their ancestor.

And ultimately I learned that I'm like a veritable rainbow of heritage and I love it.

Bumblebeeinatree · 28/04/2024 17:54

SecondStarOnTheRight · 25/04/2024 19:56

Did your grandfather get to meet his half brother? I understand the complications with the wife being related to the mother though, we've got two branches of our tree who married together three times. That gave me a headache trying to work out. 🤣

No I don't think my GF knew he existed (born quite a few years later), there is a mother's surname, in common but my GF is also really difficult to find parents for, his mother's name I only know from his marriage certificates and her Christian name changes between his two marriages which really doesn't help (surname the same as the half brother's mother) but I cannot find my GFs birth or his parents marriage. A real dead end so far. I'm hoping to find links with my GFs mother's family, but so far none unless with his half brother's family which seem a bit too close for just the paternal line

Bumblebeeinatree · 28/04/2024 18:06

Can't edit! Just to say the mother of the half brother stayed on the continent she emigrated to so couldn't possibly my GFs mother.

ARichtGoodDram · 28/04/2024 18:06

My interest started when my Gr-gran died when I was 12 and there was a lot of hassle to register her death. I was brought up by my grandparents so was very close to her.

I discovered that she died when she was 4. Obviously as a great-grandmother that died when I was 12 she definitely did not die as a young child so mostly been trying to work out if she used someone else’s details or if someone else died using hers (it wasn’t uncommon to pretend if an illegitimate child who wasn’t registered died so they could be buried)

Have discovered that she was almost certainly brought up by her grandfather and step grandmother, who was also her great aunt. when her grandfather was widowed his young, single sister-in-law moved in to help with his young children. They then had 5 illegitimate children. They married a week before my Gr-Grandmother was born. Her 17-year-old half sister moved to America three months later and sent gifts for my gr-gran every month until she was an adult. None of her other siblings, just my gran. Her grandchildren and I believe they were mother and daughter and are hoping DNA will show the closeness of the link

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