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Interesting discoveries in your tree

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SecondStarOnTheRight · 25/04/2024 15:45

Has anyone found anything interesting in their family trees that they weren't aware of?

We've been researching our for a long time now, and though we haven't found anything worth of an episode of who do you think you are, the latest thing that's surprised me is the sheer size of my family.

Grew up believing my grandparents had relatively small families. Struggling to trace the cousins from one grandparent at the minute, but between the other 3 we've found 111 cousins!

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LadyEloise1 · 25/04/2024 15:52

Not me but my dh.
He found out he has a German great great great grandfather.
But he can't find any information on him.

Bumblebeeinatree · 25/04/2024 15:59

My GF had a half brother that nobody knew about. The mother emigrated likely not knowing she was pregnant and made up an absent husband to make it look respectable. My GGF married a few years later and my GF was born, him and his half brother were both named after my GGF living on different continents. It gets even more complicated, the mother of the half brother may be related to my GGFs wife!

SecondStarOnTheRight · 25/04/2024 19:51

LadyEloise1 · 25/04/2024 15:52

Not me but my dh.
He found out he has a German great great great grandfather.
But he can't find any information on him.

Oh wow, that's a shame though that he can't find anything out. Most of our family have come from two counties, so they've been relatively easy to trace.

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seashaken · 25/04/2024 19:56

I found out my Mum had a younger sister who she never mentioned or had any contact with, I only found out about her when I joined Ancestry and was contacted by a cousin. Also found out my Mum had a brief wartime marriage before she met my Dad. Both my parents are long dead so I can't ask them about any of this and not sure how I'd broach the subject anyway.

SecondStarOnTheRight · 25/04/2024 19:56

Bumblebeeinatree · 25/04/2024 15:59

My GF had a half brother that nobody knew about. The mother emigrated likely not knowing she was pregnant and made up an absent husband to make it look respectable. My GGF married a few years later and my GF was born, him and his half brother were both named after my GGF living on different continents. It gets even more complicated, the mother of the half brother may be related to my GGFs wife!

Did your grandfather get to meet his half brother? I understand the complications with the wife being related to the mother though, we've got two branches of our tree who married together three times. That gave me a headache trying to work out. 🤣

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LadyEloise1 · 25/04/2024 20:56

Bumblebeeinatree · 25/04/2024 15:59

My GF had a half brother that nobody knew about. The mother emigrated likely not knowing she was pregnant and made up an absent husband to make it look respectable. My GGF married a few years later and my GF was born, him and his half brother were both named after my GGF living on different continents. It gets even more complicated, the mother of the half brother may be related to my GGFs wife!

You've lost me 🤔

Lemonnhoney · 25/04/2024 21:08

My X3 great grandmother married and had a child in 1871.. the father (my X3 grandfather) then took the child to the other side of the county where they stayed.. my X3 great grandmother stayed and ended up in a workhouse where she had a son (no father on the birth certificate)..

Then interestingly enough on her death certificate (the info given presumably by her son) it says she was widowed to him.... Her husband actually remarried but there's no evidence of divorce!!

If that all makes sense 😂

I'll never know what really happened but something definetly did!

SecondStarOnTheRight · 25/04/2024 21:24

Lemonnhoney · 25/04/2024 21:08

My X3 great grandmother married and had a child in 1871.. the father (my X3 grandfather) then took the child to the other side of the county where they stayed.. my X3 great grandmother stayed and ended up in a workhouse where she had a son (no father on the birth certificate)..

Then interestingly enough on her death certificate (the info given presumably by her son) it says she was widowed to him.... Her husband actually remarried but there's no evidence of divorce!!

If that all makes sense 😂

I'll never know what really happened but something definetly did!

Thats so sad she ended up in a workhouse.

I wonder if it had been presumed he had died or if the mother had said that to save face? I wish we could go back and ask these questions too. We can get facts easily enough but I'd like to know who they where as individuals and how life events affected them.

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Lemonnhoney · 26/04/2024 20:43

SecondStarOnTheRight · 25/04/2024 21:24

Thats so sad she ended up in a workhouse.

I wonder if it had been presumed he had died or if the mother had said that to save face? I wish we could go back and ask these questions too. We can get facts easily enough but I'd like to know who they where as individuals and how life events affected them.

Me too..

I love ancestry but it's so limiting just basically knowing their address, occupation, and marriage info ... You kind of have to build an imaginary picture of them yourself 😂

Interestingly though I couldn't find her father for ages but when I finally did I found lots of interesting info about him being shipped off to Tasmania for lancery (which I think is robbery)

Was he a bad man or just poor?! Who knows!

Oh I also found

Lemonnhoney · 26/04/2024 20:45

A relative who died in a mental asylum late 1800's! My direct ancestor (her sister) looked after her for a while before this (she was living with her family on a Venus) so I like to think that tells a story of her caring nature?.. hmm!

supercatlady · 26/04/2024 20:50

My Dads Dad was married twice. Dad and his brother were from the second marriage. He also had a son from the first. They lived in the same town but my Dad didn’t know. DNA threw up another older brother born out of wedlock.

CottonPyjamas · 26/04/2024 20:54

Most of my family was pretty unexciting, until I got to one census that listed a family member's job as acrobat. It turned out that my family had a travelling circus and were performers. My (not sure how many greats) grandmother's brother had P.T. Barnum as his child's godparent. I've now got copies of newspaper articles about them, and a group photo.

My immediate family however... They could fill a Take A Break magazine...

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 26/04/2024 21:04

They were a law abiding lot except for one....an early inmate of Broadmoor

SecondStarOnTheRight · 26/04/2024 21:06

Lemonnhoney · 26/04/2024 20:43

Me too..

I love ancestry but it's so limiting just basically knowing their address, occupation, and marriage info ... You kind of have to build an imaginary picture of them yourself 😂

Interestingly though I couldn't find her father for ages but when I finally did I found lots of interesting info about him being shipped off to Tasmania for lancery (which I think is robbery)

Was he a bad man or just poor?! Who knows!

Oh I also found

I'm certainly glad that I had two grandparents still here when we started the tree so we could ask them about things, I just wish my other grandparents had been around too.

I have been lucky in the sense I've managed to find newspaper articles on a few people, both good and bad, and managed to get a photo of my 3xG grandad from it too (b. 1839)!

It definitely sounds like your direct ancestor was a caring person. 😊

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Menomeno · 26/04/2024 21:10

So much stuff, it’s fascinating!

Elon Musk is my fifth cousin. That was a bit of a shock.

We had two bigamists (my paternal nan’s dad and my maternal grandad’s dad) both deserted their wives and married other women and had loads more kids. I suppose it was fairly common back then.

One for the Irish: My nan’s dad (my mum’s mum) was an Irish catholic who grew up on the Cowgate in Edinburgh. His Dad was a cattle drover who worked with a muck man called John Connolly who lived in the house opposite. John was the father of the James Connolly, who was born in that house at the time.

SecondStarOnTheRight · 26/04/2024 21:11

CottonPyjamas · 26/04/2024 20:54

Most of my family was pretty unexciting, until I got to one census that listed a family member's job as acrobat. It turned out that my family had a travelling circus and were performers. My (not sure how many greats) grandmother's brother had P.T. Barnum as his child's godparent. I've now got copies of newspaper articles about them, and a group photo.

My immediate family however... They could fill a Take A Break magazine...

We've heard that my dads uncle worked in the circus, but we've found no proof as yet. I know he worked on trawlers, so its quite a vast difference!

I'm glad you've found the newspaper articles though! Definitely something to keep in the family archives 😀

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Another2Cats · 26/04/2024 23:51

"Has anyone found anything interesting in their family trees that they weren't aware of?"

Quite a bit that I find interesting, I don't know if others will however.

I don't know about interesting, but certainly the most obscure thing I've learnt is that a distant relation of mine was the step-father of Dick Whittington.

Dick Whittington (the pantomime character), aka Sir Richard Whittington, was actually a real person. The pantomime story is very vaguely based on some parts of his life.

" the latest thing that's surprised me is the sheer size of my family ... but between the other 3 we've found 111 cousins!"

I can almost double that. My grandparents had between five and eight siblings each and had between 41 and 68 cousins each for a total of 205 cousins. For context, my grandparents were born between 1906 and 1915.

My parents had rather fewer cousins. My dad had 32 cousins and my mum only has 28 cousins. I have one sibling and 16 cousins. I have two DC and they have seven cousins, so the number of cousins seems to be halving each generation.

Although I also remember (just) my great grandmother who died in 1974 when I was nine years old. My paternal grandmother died at a young age and I remember my grandfather and his mother living together.

I have since found out that she was born in 1892, so was nine years old when Queen Victoria died. Obviously, I wasn't aware of this at the time; to me she was just some old lady. But I do remember that she was always very chatty and always had time to speak to me.

Looking back on it now, I just find it amazing that I knew somebody who was alive at the time and would have remembered the death of Queen Victoria.

The most surprising things though have come from more of a mix of both DNA test and family trees.

For example, one of my mum's cousins I couldn't trace at all. She was just a name with a date of birth and that was it.

However, I did a DNA test (my parents later did them as well and that makes a huge difference getting dna from an earlier generation).

Having done the dna test I came across a woman in the USA that Ancestry said was quite a close relative (2nd cousin or something like that) and that was very confusing because I knew nothing about her.

It turned out that her father knew that his mother had been adopted while living in England but that is all. The adopted child later married a US serviceman and emigrated to the USA but died at a relatively young age.

After we worked out how closely we were related, combined with what little information they had about his mother, I was able to identify who she was. It turned out that his mother (the adopted child) was my mum's cousin that I only had a date of birth for. So I was able to give them a whole load of information about their family that they had no idea about.

It absolutely blew her father away. He had resigned himself to never really knowing anything about his mother's birth family (she died quite young) and was overwhelmed that just from his daughter doing a DNA test he was able to find out about his real family.

As a result of following this up, I also found out that the adopted child's sister, another of my mum's cousins (who got placed in what we would call "kinship care" these days), got pregnant at the age of 15 by a 19 year old US soldier some time around Christmas 1945 and became one of the earliest US war brides to be shipped off to the USA in 1946.

In a second example, a DNA test showed that I am related to a woman living in London whose mother and aunt had both been adopted. It has been an interesting story to unravel. She was keen to find out who her mother's birth parents (her maternal grandparents) were.

It turns out that the grandmother was born in County Galway, Ireland and then married while she was living in Wexford.

Her husband was a policeman who had recently returned from China where he had served for six years in the Shanghai Municipal Police (many Shanghai policemen at this time were Irish or British).

After marrying, they then relocated to what is nowadays Kenya where he joined the British East African Mounted Police based in Nairobi. Unfortunately he died two years later and her grandmother returned to the UK.

About five years after his death, her grandmother gave birth to two daughters (my relative’s mother and aunt) in London and they were both adopted at an early age.

Normally, if a woman was unmarried then no father would be shown on the birth certificate. But in both cases her widowed grandmother gave the name of her (five year) deceased husband as the father.

In reality, given the DNA test, it appears that it is some relation of mine (likely from my grandparent's or great grandparent's generation) that was the father. I’m still working on exactly which relative of mine might have been her grandfather.

But leaving DNA aside there are still plenty of surprises as well (although having the DNA information really helps as well).

If you can connect to a well established family then the older records become a lot easier (the hard work has generally already been done), that is how I found out about my obscure connection with Dick Whittington.

On my mother's side of the family, several family members went over to America in the 1600s (not with the original Pilgrims but about 20 or 30 years later) and settled in what is now Maryland to become tobacco farmers.

Looking at the later records, especially the censuses, it has been a real surprise (it probably shouldn't have been) to see that their descendants were slave owners and that the slaves included very young children.

If you can establish a link to early US colonial families then it becomes a lot easier to trace family as they are very keen on genealogy over there.

That side of our family apparently now have two main branches in Baltimore and Ohio and there are a couple of them who even have Wikipedia entries.

On my father's side of the family, people later emigrated to the US in the 1850s and were part of the Mormon Trail where the Mormons migrated to Utah. I now have lots of distant relations who are Mormons living in Utah.

Later on, I found a couple of relatives who had been forcibly emigrated to Canada. This came as a huge shock to me that this happened.

Between the late 1800s and early 1900s around 100,000 children who had been placed in care with organisations like Barnado's and the Salvation Army were given some basic training; boys were taught things like basic farm working skills and girls were taught basic needlework etc and then, between the ages of 12 and 14, they were shipped out to Canada to be used as indentured farm workers and domestic servants (think something like "Anne of Green Gables" but not as nice and no going to school).

https://canadianbritishhomechildren.weebly.com/

Another thing that surprised me (and really shouldn't have) when I first started looking at my family tree is the number of children born very, very shortly after the marriage of the parents (even right up until recent times; my dad was born 4 months after his parents married and on my mother's side the eldest daughter was born 5 months later). It really is surprising to me just how many of my ancestors gave birth around 3 to 6 months after getting married.

In a similar vein, what we would nowadays call "kinship care" (ie a child being looked after by a relative) definitely happened.

If you are ever missing a child in a family tree then have a look to see if they are living with the grandparents or other relatives. I have more than one female relative who was an unmarried mother and then left the child with the grandparents while she went off and married some other guy.

Also, the number of my ancestors that were petty criminals and the rather harsh penalties they received was surprising. For example, back in the 1850s, my great great grandmother worked as a domestic servant from the age of 14. But, at the age of 18, she was sentenced to three months imprisonment in Gloucester prison with hard labour for the crime of “larceny from her master”. She had stolen half a pint of gin (about a third of a modern day bottle).

It seems like the whole family were a bit dodgy. Her sister was also convicted of theft on a separate occasion (she had stolen some clothes and bed linens etc) and her mother (my 3 x great grandmother) was convicted of receiving stolen property. So the mother and two of her daughters were all in Gloucester prison at the same time for various different crimes.

Entirely coincidentally, another ancestor of mine was a prison warder in Gloucester prison at this exact same time. So one side of my family were a bunch of dodgy, petty thieves and the other side were prison guards keeping them locked up!

On a different note, I also have several male relatives who fought in various wars including World War One, the Boer War in South Africa and even fought against the Russians in Ukraine (Crimean War). Others were stationed in India and China at different times.

But perhaps the thing that surprised me the most was to learn, shortly before my father died, that his grandfather had been awarded a medal for gallantry in World War One.

In his later years, my father started to be very forgetful about many things. But when I mentioned to him about his grandfather being in the army and having some medals his face lit up.

He had forgotten all about his grandfather being in the army but with my prompts he started to tell me about stories that he remembered his grandfather telling him about his time in the army and fighting in France and Salonika.

Hearing my father talk about his own grandfather and his memories of him is one of the things that I really do treasure from the time before he passed away.

Sorry that this got so long, I just started typing and it all just sort of came out.

https://canadianbritishhomechildren.weebly.com

Angrymum22 · 27/04/2024 00:08

My ggggrandfather was a captain of a collier ship that was wrecked off the coast of Belfast in a famous hurricane in the 1860s. The ship went down with all hands including my ggggrandmother and two of their children. Over a hundred ships were wrecked around the uk coast in the same storm.

I had searched for that particular branch for a long time.

I also did the Ancestry DNA test and found two illegitimate second cousins. One I knew about but the older one I didn’t. Their mum ( yes she managed two underaged pregnancies in the 1960s) was my mums cousin. They were both adopted and were born in the same years as my DSis and I. It explained why the cousin was never really keen on seeing us. I suspect it was very difficult for her knowing she had two sons the same age.

One thing the DNA test showed was that my gg grandmother, who was illegitimate was actually the daughter of the man her mother eventually married. She had four children before she married him then five after. I think that the older four were brought up as her sisters and brothers by their grandmother, this was often the practice back then. But it did allow me to go further back.

The women on that side of my family have all had large families and lived long lives. We are built for childbirth and are as tough as nails.

fromaytobe · 27/04/2024 00:22

I found out that an ancestor was murdered.

I also found out that my grandparents were married only six months before my mother's birth. 😂Which goes quite a long way towards explaining why DM actively discouraged me from doing any family tree research - she would have been keen to hide that (to her it would have been scandalous) information from me.

I only started doing it after she'd died of a possibly hereditary condition, and my consultant asked me to find out what my ancestors had died of. As it happens, they died of all sorts of things.

dodobookends · 27/04/2024 00:24

LadyEloise1 · 25/04/2024 15:52

Not me but my dh.
He found out he has a German great great great grandfather.
But he can't find any information on him.

Try the Anglo-German Family History Society.

fromaytobe · 27/04/2024 00:35

SecondStarOnTheRight · 26/04/2024 21:11

We've heard that my dads uncle worked in the circus, but we've found no proof as yet. I know he worked on trawlers, so its quite a vast difference!

I'm glad you've found the newspaper articles though! Definitely something to keep in the family archives 😀

Are you sure that the family just wasn't spun the line: "He ran away to join the circus"?

That was sometimes what people would say when they didn't want others to know where the person had really gone. It is along the same lines of "Gone to see a man about a dog"- ie: mind your own business.

pinkgown · 27/04/2024 00:39

We discovered DH's great-grandfather was a notorious burglar! Even found his mug-shot (you'll have to guess which one he is, LOL)

Interesting discoveries in your tree
SecondStarOnTheRight · 27/04/2024 09:18

Another2Cats · 26/04/2024 23:51

"Has anyone found anything interesting in their family trees that they weren't aware of?"

Quite a bit that I find interesting, I don't know if others will however.

I don't know about interesting, but certainly the most obscure thing I've learnt is that a distant relation of mine was the step-father of Dick Whittington.

Dick Whittington (the pantomime character), aka Sir Richard Whittington, was actually a real person. The pantomime story is very vaguely based on some parts of his life.

" the latest thing that's surprised me is the sheer size of my family ... but between the other 3 we've found 111 cousins!"

I can almost double that. My grandparents had between five and eight siblings each and had between 41 and 68 cousins each for a total of 205 cousins. For context, my grandparents were born between 1906 and 1915.

My parents had rather fewer cousins. My dad had 32 cousins and my mum only has 28 cousins. I have one sibling and 16 cousins. I have two DC and they have seven cousins, so the number of cousins seems to be halving each generation.

Although I also remember (just) my great grandmother who died in 1974 when I was nine years old. My paternal grandmother died at a young age and I remember my grandfather and his mother living together.

I have since found out that she was born in 1892, so was nine years old when Queen Victoria died. Obviously, I wasn't aware of this at the time; to me she was just some old lady. But I do remember that she was always very chatty and always had time to speak to me.

Looking back on it now, I just find it amazing that I knew somebody who was alive at the time and would have remembered the death of Queen Victoria.

The most surprising things though have come from more of a mix of both DNA test and family trees.

For example, one of my mum's cousins I couldn't trace at all. She was just a name with a date of birth and that was it.

However, I did a DNA test (my parents later did them as well and that makes a huge difference getting dna from an earlier generation).

Having done the dna test I came across a woman in the USA that Ancestry said was quite a close relative (2nd cousin or something like that) and that was very confusing because I knew nothing about her.

It turned out that her father knew that his mother had been adopted while living in England but that is all. The adopted child later married a US serviceman and emigrated to the USA but died at a relatively young age.

After we worked out how closely we were related, combined with what little information they had about his mother, I was able to identify who she was. It turned out that his mother (the adopted child) was my mum's cousin that I only had a date of birth for. So I was able to give them a whole load of information about their family that they had no idea about.

It absolutely blew her father away. He had resigned himself to never really knowing anything about his mother's birth family (she died quite young) and was overwhelmed that just from his daughter doing a DNA test he was able to find out about his real family.

As a result of following this up, I also found out that the adopted child's sister, another of my mum's cousins (who got placed in what we would call "kinship care" these days), got pregnant at the age of 15 by a 19 year old US soldier some time around Christmas 1945 and became one of the earliest US war brides to be shipped off to the USA in 1946.

In a second example, a DNA test showed that I am related to a woman living in London whose mother and aunt had both been adopted. It has been an interesting story to unravel. She was keen to find out who her mother's birth parents (her maternal grandparents) were.

It turns out that the grandmother was born in County Galway, Ireland and then married while she was living in Wexford.

Her husband was a policeman who had recently returned from China where he had served for six years in the Shanghai Municipal Police (many Shanghai policemen at this time were Irish or British).

After marrying, they then relocated to what is nowadays Kenya where he joined the British East African Mounted Police based in Nairobi. Unfortunately he died two years later and her grandmother returned to the UK.

About five years after his death, her grandmother gave birth to two daughters (my relative’s mother and aunt) in London and they were both adopted at an early age.

Normally, if a woman was unmarried then no father would be shown on the birth certificate. But in both cases her widowed grandmother gave the name of her (five year) deceased husband as the father.

In reality, given the DNA test, it appears that it is some relation of mine (likely from my grandparent's or great grandparent's generation) that was the father. I’m still working on exactly which relative of mine might have been her grandfather.

But leaving DNA aside there are still plenty of surprises as well (although having the DNA information really helps as well).

If you can connect to a well established family then the older records become a lot easier (the hard work has generally already been done), that is how I found out about my obscure connection with Dick Whittington.

On my mother's side of the family, several family members went over to America in the 1600s (not with the original Pilgrims but about 20 or 30 years later) and settled in what is now Maryland to become tobacco farmers.

Looking at the later records, especially the censuses, it has been a real surprise (it probably shouldn't have been) to see that their descendants were slave owners and that the slaves included very young children.

If you can establish a link to early US colonial families then it becomes a lot easier to trace family as they are very keen on genealogy over there.

That side of our family apparently now have two main branches in Baltimore and Ohio and there are a couple of them who even have Wikipedia entries.

On my father's side of the family, people later emigrated to the US in the 1850s and were part of the Mormon Trail where the Mormons migrated to Utah. I now have lots of distant relations who are Mormons living in Utah.

Later on, I found a couple of relatives who had been forcibly emigrated to Canada. This came as a huge shock to me that this happened.

Between the late 1800s and early 1900s around 100,000 children who had been placed in care with organisations like Barnado's and the Salvation Army were given some basic training; boys were taught things like basic farm working skills and girls were taught basic needlework etc and then, between the ages of 12 and 14, they were shipped out to Canada to be used as indentured farm workers and domestic servants (think something like "Anne of Green Gables" but not as nice and no going to school).

https://canadianbritishhomechildren.weebly.com/

Another thing that surprised me (and really shouldn't have) when I first started looking at my family tree is the number of children born very, very shortly after the marriage of the parents (even right up until recent times; my dad was born 4 months after his parents married and on my mother's side the eldest daughter was born 5 months later). It really is surprising to me just how many of my ancestors gave birth around 3 to 6 months after getting married.

In a similar vein, what we would nowadays call "kinship care" (ie a child being looked after by a relative) definitely happened.

If you are ever missing a child in a family tree then have a look to see if they are living with the grandparents or other relatives. I have more than one female relative who was an unmarried mother and then left the child with the grandparents while she went off and married some other guy.

Also, the number of my ancestors that were petty criminals and the rather harsh penalties they received was surprising. For example, back in the 1850s, my great great grandmother worked as a domestic servant from the age of 14. But, at the age of 18, she was sentenced to three months imprisonment in Gloucester prison with hard labour for the crime of “larceny from her master”. She had stolen half a pint of gin (about a third of a modern day bottle).

It seems like the whole family were a bit dodgy. Her sister was also convicted of theft on a separate occasion (she had stolen some clothes and bed linens etc) and her mother (my 3 x great grandmother) was convicted of receiving stolen property. So the mother and two of her daughters were all in Gloucester prison at the same time for various different crimes.

Entirely coincidentally, another ancestor of mine was a prison warder in Gloucester prison at this exact same time. So one side of my family were a bunch of dodgy, petty thieves and the other side were prison guards keeping them locked up!

On a different note, I also have several male relatives who fought in various wars including World War One, the Boer War in South Africa and even fought against the Russians in Ukraine (Crimean War). Others were stationed in India and China at different times.

But perhaps the thing that surprised me the most was to learn, shortly before my father died, that his grandfather had been awarded a medal for gallantry in World War One.

In his later years, my father started to be very forgetful about many things. But when I mentioned to him about his grandfather being in the army and having some medals his face lit up.

He had forgotten all about his grandfather being in the army but with my prompts he started to tell me about stories that he remembered his grandfather telling him about his time in the army and fighting in France and Salonika.

Hearing my father talk about his own grandfather and his memories of him is one of the things that I really do treasure from the time before he passed away.

Sorry that this got so long, I just started typing and it all just sort of came out.

Don't be sorry about that being long, it was really interesting to read! That's a lot of discoveries to have made and how lovely that you've been able to help someone else with their family tree too.

I havent found many examples yet of parents 'having' to get married, I know my great grandparents did before my gran was born and ive just found out my 3xG grandfather married about 3 weeks before his daughter was born. The strange thing is, looking at the censuses the daughter seems to be with the grandparents, even though the parents did marry.

We also have a case where a mothers husband is listed on a child's birth and later marriage certificate despite the fact he died 5 years before the baby was born. Sadly I don't think we'll ever get answers to that one.

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SecondStarOnTheRight · 27/04/2024 09:22

pinkgown · 27/04/2024 00:39

We discovered DH's great-grandfather was a notorious burglar! Even found his mug-shot (you'll have to guess which one he is, LOL)

I do love finding photos of people, how interesting to find a mugshot though 😂 have you been able to trace any prison records and such for him, assuming he was imprisoned?

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SecondStarOnTheRight · 27/04/2024 09:32

fromaytobe · 27/04/2024 00:35

Are you sure that the family just wasn't spun the line: "He ran away to join the circus"?

That was sometimes what people would say when they didn't want others to know where the person had really gone. It is along the same lines of "Gone to see a man about a dog"- ie: mind your own business.

I don't think so, as he was always in the family and lived with his mum nearly all his life. It was him who told my dad that about the job too. Nothings really been covered up in the family either, my gran was quite honest about her family history and didn't hide anything from the past.

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