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Can anyone read this?

18 replies

indecipherable · 04/11/2023 15:48

This is in the register of baptisms for an ancestor. Only his mother's name is given. The attached image is in the column for "quality, trade or profession" of the father (who isn't named). Does it say what I think it says??!

Can anyone read this?
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30not13 · 04/11/2023 15:51

Something" in his father's house"?

ShowOfHands · 04/11/2023 15:53

Horlgh in his father's house.

Obviously.

Issummernearlyover · 04/11/2023 16:02

Harlots in her father's house

indecipherable · 04/11/2023 16:04

Yes, "harlot in her father's house" I think.
Poor woman.

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redastherose · 04/11/2023 16:11

I don't think it is Harlot and also that wouldn't make sense. If it is in the Fathers name section it would be his profession. I also think the last bit is 'his fathers house' the first word could be Host... something at the end.

indecipherable · 04/11/2023 16:22

@redastherose the father's name is not given because she was unmarried. Interestingly there are several other baptisms of illegitimate babies in this register. Mostly they give the mother's job (charwoman, servant etc) but in one case the entry reads "born of fornication".

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indecipherable · 04/11/2023 16:24

To clarify, the column says "quality, trade or profession" and it gives the father's job if the father is named. If he isn't, the mother's job is given -- or a judgmental comment entered, as above.

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 04/11/2023 16:51

redastherose · 04/11/2023 16:11

I don't think it is Harlot and also that wouldn't make sense. If it is in the Fathers name section it would be his profession. I also think the last bit is 'his fathers house' the first word could be Host... something at the end.

It's 'her', not 'his'. Compare the last letter with the terminal 's' on the line below.

happyasaseagullstealingchips · 05/11/2023 13:20

Is it Hostel in her father's house? Just meaning she had no trade or job and lived with her father?

Manadou · 05/11/2023 13:25

Oxford English Dictionary

Harlot

3.3 Applied to a male servant or attendant; a menial: cf. knave, in similar use. Obs.

Lavenderosa · 05/11/2023 13:25

I do a lot of genealogy and it looks to me like:
Harlot in her Father's House

Manadou · 05/11/2023 14:34

As in my above, the father was a servant in her father's house.

SharonEllis · 05/11/2023 14:41

Manadou · 05/11/2023 13:25

Oxford English Dictionary

Harlot

3.3 Applied to a male servant or attendant; a menial: cf. knave, in similar use. Obs.

Edited

Obs. Means obsolete. I don't think harlot would refer to a man by this date? It was invariably a woman by the 18th century.

Manadou · 05/11/2023 14:47

SharonEllis · 05/11/2023 14:41

Obs. Means obsolete. I don't think harlot would refer to a man by this date? It was invariably a woman by the 18th century.

Obsolete terms and usages persisted for a long while in official contexts like registrations. My friend's birth cert from 1952 gave her father's occupation as 'coal-hewer'.

Slidingsocks · 05/11/2023 14:52

Can you give us more of the page? Then we can compare the lettering from other entries.

MrsJellybee · 05/11/2023 15:04

I thought it was ‘Hostler’ possibly (old spelling), but agree it looks more like ‘Harlot’.

SharonEllis · 05/11/2023 16:30

Manadou · 05/11/2023 14:47

Obsolete terms and usages persisted for a long while in official contexts like registrations. My friend's birth cert from 1952 gave her father's occupation as 'coal-hewer'.

Given that coal hewer was a totally standard term around 1900, 52 years later is in living memory so I would not be surprised if it was still in use (but I don't know for sure). I'm surprised harlot for a man would still be in use so much later but happy to be proved wrong. Needs evidence though, I'd say.

MikeRafone · 05/11/2023 17:40

the House at the bottom of the page looks the same as the first letter of the top word - so an H

it looks like "in her fathers house"

but the first word is more difficult to establish without other letters of the same handwriting from other words not he page - can you give some more of the page, as pp asked?

It could be that the vicar is saying she has brought shame to the fathers household

a harlot was slang for lady of the night, paid for sex

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