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Grandfather was an orphan

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notaflyingmonkey · 30/04/2021 23:20

I have recently got my DNA results, and have started my family tree. All fairly mundane stuff so far.

I've always know that my maternal grandfather was brought up in an orphanage, and that he joined the army under age and went to WW1.

How can I find out more about his background?

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LIZS · 01/05/2021 17:38

Census info for 1891/1901/11. War records (National Archive). Birth certificate.

MissingInActon · 06/05/2021 16:55

You'll have to keep tugging on different threads until something gives and it all starts to unravel.

My grandfather's story was similar. I knew his name and his birthday and a vague story about where he was born (he thought in a particular workhouse). I also knew his history after he married my grandmother and had my father and uncles. Most of what he thought he knew was wrong, except his birthday, but I did find out about him in the end though it took bloody years.

I started with his marriage certificate, which had his father's name and occupation on and his age (though that was a lie as he was under 21, which was the legal minimum without parental agreement, which he couldn't get, being an orphan). I also looked at his death cert, which actually did have his correct YOB, so I knew there was a discrepancy and to look across a range of years for his birth cert. There's also the 1939 register, which could have filled in some gaps if his name had been transcribed correctly.

I couldn't find him on any censuses, so I focused on birth certificates and ordered a shedload of incorrect ones based on name, surname and presumed place of birth across a range of about 10 years, because I knew his birthday and needed an actual copy to cross-check that. Once I found one that fitted, I realised that the middle name he was accustomed to using was actually his mother's maiden name. I also discovered who his father was and (later) that he had been born in the workhouse, so figured I could let that info go as a misremembered family story. I confirmed his father's occupation and by coincidence Who Do You Think You Are did a thing about apprenticeship registers for that occupation right at that time, and I found his entry, which led to a whole other story I won't bore you with now.

Then I researched the address he was born at (on the birth certificate) via the 1891 and 1901 censuses (he was born between them), which turned out to be his mother's brother's house, so I knew his name. I was a bit stuck then so I started looking at their family, and found her parents fairly easily because it turned out that her mother's maiden name had also been used as her brother's middle name - it turns out this is ever so common and is really useful as a confirmatory piece of data. Once I started looking at the parents on censuses, I found that my grandfather had been brought up by his maternal grandparents after his mother's death, so despite thinking he was on no censuses, it turned out he was actually on the 1901 and the 1911 but under their surname, not his own, which he reverted to as an adult (but spelt wrong...).

All of this tedium about my family tree is just to illustrate that you need to use a variety of sources and keep moving back and forth between them while you fill in the gaps around your relative. It's like a missing persons enquiry and you just need to keep gathering little snippets of data that will lead you to other little snippets. Even with orphans there will be bits and pieces you can use to build up the whole picture. Orphanages had to list all the children in their care on the census too, and they will most likely be listed as 'inmate', so you can use that as a search term in conjunction with whatever else you know to hopefully find his entry/ies. Orphanages usually cut kids loose at 14 to be apprenticed in a trade. If you know the orphanage, there may be a particular link with a particular set of trades or employers.

HTH, good luck!

LadyEloise · 06/05/2021 17:23

Missinginaction Is your grandfather still alive so you could fill him in on his story ?

MissingInActon · 06/05/2021 17:42

Sadly not. It would be lovely, wouldn't it? My father isn't either, and I know he would have loved to have heard about it all. I started looking years ago but it was just so hard pre-internet. So much easier now; we are very lucky to have so much information digitised for us just to summon up.

notaflyingmonkey · 06/05/2021 20:41

Thank you for taking the time to write that reply @MissingInActon, it's very helpful.

I've got bits and pieces, but am struggling to put it together into anything meaningful. It was my mother's father, and even though she is still alive she has dementia, so I have to chose my moments as to what I ask her about him.

I know he was at the Somme as a young man.

Perhaps what my mum referred to as an orphanage could well have been a workhouse I guess.

I have found someone matching his name who starts out with parents and siblings living together in an area of London that was a slum. Fast forward and 'he' is a lodger in someone else's house with one sister and one brother, both much older than him. I'm guessing if this is him, the siblings couldn't look after him any more and he/they ended up in the workhouse.

But that could all be about someone else entirely!

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Saker · 09/05/2021 20:38

I'm not sure how much you know - do you have a birth year, middle names etc? Do you know anything about your grandmother? I would start by looking for the marriage of your grandparents and if you ordered the marriage certificate you would be able to get your grandfather's age and location at the time of the marriage. Middle names are useful when there are multiple birth records. Witnesses might include a sibling which would help you check you have the right family in the census. That might help you narrow him down in the census and lead to other information. Another place to look is the 1939 register, that would give you a more accurate birth date and possibly other relations. I'm very happy to help if you want to PM me.

notaflyingmonkey · 09/05/2021 21:20

Thank you @Saker. Unfortunately my family doesn't seem to go for middle names which makes this even harder!

I tried my DM on the subject again today, and she mentioned he had a brother and sister. Given her dementia, I wouldn't bet the house on it, but she has a better recall of the distant past than she has any other time really.

That helped, and I have narrowed things down to a different person than the above. Although it may well still be the wrong person. I have found the sister in a workhouse, age 11. Which even if she isn't a relative, was enough for me to stop for the day and count my blessings.

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notaflyingmonkey · 14/05/2021 19:55

Update: my grandfather was in fact in and out of the workhouse from age 2, as were some of his siblings and his mother. At least one of the siblings seems to have been taken in by other family members, according to the census.

His army records show that he enlisted age 15.

It is really bloody depressing reading, and I can see why DM was so sketchy in talking about him.

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LadyEloise · 16/05/2021 08:22

It's great that you got information and can fill in the missing pieces of his life notaflyingmonkey

Decorhate · 16/05/2021 12:18

I always find it very sobering when I find relatives who were orphaned or fending for themselves for other reasons when they were the age my kids are now.

timeisnotaline · 16/05/2021 12:22

From age 2Sad

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