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Unmarried mother and 10 children with no father(s)

145 replies

Hmmph · 18/08/2020 19:21

I have been researching my family tree.

I have a lady in it who was not married and had 10 children. None of the children have a father in the birth certificates. They were born either side of 1900 and fairly regularly.

Any ideas what this is??

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mintbiscuit · 18/08/2020 20:05

Have you looked at baptism records? Also any ‘lodgers’ listed on census records?

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 18/08/2020 20:06

Complete guesswork here...
Any brothers or male cousins with same surname listed as single in same time period? So to society they were 'man and wife' but not legally due to incest? Not saying this is the case at all by the way.

Other guess would be local lord of the manor or son of said lord keeping a mistress.

MyOtherProfile · 18/08/2020 20:06

Maybe she ran some kind of baby rescue service and didn't actually give birth to them all.

MsTSwift · 18/08/2020 20:07

I listened to very interesting Victorian social history book “The Five” about Jack the Ripper victims not concentrating on the crimes but the lives of the women. Very interesting. Marriage and being “proper” was largely middle class working class couples who had limited resources would link up for mutual survival and support for a few years and have children so your relative may have been in one maybe two long term relationships but not bothered formalising by marriage.

Madcats · 18/08/2020 20:13

I spent a few hours looking at old censuses for my little street. I think a few transcripts/records weren't done as perfectly as others.

OP is it possible the "father" was in service or a sailor?

Hmmph · 18/08/2020 20:17

I will check regarding the eldest boy’s name and if he had a middle name...

It appears she gave birth to them- she is on the birth certificate. No father.

She does have a lot of brothers. I will check if they were single (yuk, yuk, yuk).

There are no lodgers listed.

She also lived in a very rural area- very small hamlet.

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Purpledaisychain · 18/08/2020 20:17

Working on a farm would have kept the food bill down I suppose. Maybe she took in the kids of relatives (with the same surname) that had died and this wasn't translated accurately?

ladycarlotta · 18/08/2020 20:35

if she is working class, as it sounds, then yes there was a bit less stigma - the mores we associate with the Victorian period are often rather prescriptive, the way people would like the world to be rather than as it really was. And the poor got on with things a bit more. Often working class couples only got married once the woman got pregnant.

This said, I think it would be unusual for a woman to have so many children without any man around at all. I agree with PPs, there is probably a married man at the core of this. He could well have been estranged from his wife and living with your ancestor as a sort of common-law husband. Their neighbours may have had no idea they weren't married, or it could have been common knowledge. Either way, he had some obligation to officially appear on the census elsewhere, probably with his other family.

The children's middle names might give you a clue. Or you could see if you can find their wedding certificates, where they may mention a father although he was omitted from the birth certificate. From the censuses, can you see at what age the children go into employment? If they remained in school for a long time that might suggest that they have financial help, their mother couldn't have kept them home long on her income.

caringcarer · 18/08/2020 20:36

Very interesting thread. Not in this case but some women not pregnant deliberately so they could be a wet.nurse. In some records females who recorded themselves as seamstress or maid could be prostitute. 10 children common with no contraception.

Dancingdeer77 · 18/08/2020 20:41

Hotel maid could be code for prostitution, more likely a married man somewhere given the regularity though. I’m fascinated by family history.

motivationalpigoftraal · 18/08/2020 20:42

He could have been in service and living somewhere else or a travelling salesman.

UmmH · 18/08/2020 20:45

Could she have been affiliated to a religious minority whose marriages weren't officially recognised?

Hmmph · 18/08/2020 20:45

In 1901, she was 27 and living at her parents house with her parents (father is a farmer) with no job mentioned and the first 3 children. Eldest was 6.

By 1911, she was 38 and a hotel scullery maid and head of the household. She has 5 children listed, eldest is 12 and is still at school.

Father is not on marriage certificates of the children.

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howlathebees · 18/08/2020 20:45

I’d guess she was with a married man

equuscaballus · 18/08/2020 20:49

My Gt gt grandmother was very similar, she had several children who I have no idea who the father was. She was from an incredibly poor farm labourer family.
I am lucky in that my gt gt G'father acknowledged his son as an adult.
proving that he wasn't/ didn't consider himself father to the others.

He was a wealthy man so I suppose a class barrier.

I feel very mean when I wonder if she was a prostitute or the village bike!

managedmis · 18/08/2020 20:55

How curious

How did she work and look after them all? Eldest kids looked after youngest? Still, 10 kids?!

Hmmph · 18/08/2020 21:01

Eldest son/child has the same name as her own father.

The next sons name however is more interesting. His first name is a name which can be a first name or a surname and his middle name seems quite unusual.

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managedmis · 18/08/2020 21:04

So she had 5 kids after the age of 38?

managedmis · 18/08/2020 21:04

Any chance you can say the name op?

Moondust001 · 18/08/2020 21:06

Another possibility - and it's interesting that so many people have landed on the "married man" explanation - is that she is the one that was married and left her husband. One of my ancestors did this - she left him, but subsequently had children and there was no father named, and it wasn't him (he'd shacked up with someone else!). She was also listed as head of household. It was more "shameful" for a man to take up with a married woman than the other way around. Because "men have their needs", whereas, of course, women don't, so any woman who leaves her marriage and then takes up with another man would be anathema. She ought to be pure and chaste if she can't cut it married. Possibly ought to have entered a Nunnery!

EezyOozy · 18/08/2020 21:10

Following !

ClearTheDecks · 18/08/2020 21:14

I thought married man as it's the type of scenario where the kids are being kept somehow and not given up.

Living with parents explains how she is able to keep kids financially and could be explained by her leaving a husband except his name would have been on the three birth certificates, if married.

Redtartanshoes · 18/08/2020 21:15

This is really interesting!

Wolfgirrl · 18/08/2020 21:15

Is her only registered address as being with her parents OP?

FelicityPike · 18/08/2020 21:15

Very curious.