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Can anyone recommend a laptop the size of a chrome book?

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Wonderingwhyme · 04/08/2020 13:45

I need something for dc for school for September but needs to be light weight and smallish like a chrome book but can’t be an actual chrome book as not compatible with school. Don’t want to spend too much money and need to be able to download apps so for example he needs a word to text type app he can use?

Tia

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DianasLasso · 09/08/2020 13:16

Sadly with laptops you get what you pay for (I just shelled out 500 quid on a new one).

The thing that jumps out at me with that Acer laptop is the i3 processor, which is going to be slow. Even if you don't need high end specs (usually for gaming) you want a good enough processor that you can, for e.g., have maybe word, powerpoint and a browser open simultaneously. And chances are an i3 is going to make that feel like wading through treacle.

Quick guide to making sense of technical specs:
RAM - think of it by analogy with planning some sort of project longhand. RAM is the equivalent of what size sheet of paper you have. 4GB would be like trying to plan something complicated on a post-it note, 8GB gets you a decent sized sheet of A4, etc. The processor speed tells you how fast the chip can do the actual activities you want it to (complicated sums on an excel spreadsheet, rendering graphics in real time in a computer game, coping with more than one task at once if you have more than one window open). Then there's all sorts of other features of useability - screen quality (if you want to watch Netflix on it), how many ports it's got to connect to other devices (if you want to get photos off your phone and onto your laptop), etc.

My list of technical specs for you would be:
half-way decent chip (Intel i5 or equivalent)
enough RAM - 8GB is probably about right without pricing yourself out of the market (16 GB would be nice, 4 GB probably too limited).
enough ports - at least two USB A ports would be an absolute minimum, I'd say.
Decent screen quality.

www.techradar.com/uk/news/the-best-laptop-deals is a useful article with recent reviews.

I think your school is right to insist on a laptop rather than a Chromebook. DS has a Chromebook his granddad bought in a fit of enthusiasm, and to be honest, it's so incredibly limited in what it can do that I absolutely hate it.

With Currys it may well be that what you see on their website simply isn't available near where you live. I physically went into our local branch (having decided on budget and decided roughly what I wanted). They didn't have any of the versions I was after, but did manage to source a very similar one in the town 45 minutes drive away (Ryzen 5 chip rather than Intel i5 - pretty much do the same job). The saleswoman (who was very clued up and very helpful) said part of the problem is their supplies have been absolutely stripped down during lockdown (they were reduced to getting stuff out of the stockrooms of their physical shops in order to supply online orders) and the replacement stock hasn't come in yet).

Wonderingwhyme · 09/08/2020 13:24

@DianasLasso thank you that really helps to understand it a bit more! He won’t be gaming on it, he has a gaming laptop but i really need to find some sort of software for a voice to text for him (he’s dyslexic and school keep suggesting this is what he needs as they have no ‘proof’ of his ability as he just won’t use pen to paper) will this affect what type/spec or laptop I get? What about the Lenovo ideapad 11 flex 3 I mentioned?

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DianasLasso · 09/08/2020 13:40

My DS is dyslexic too. Solidarity Grin

I don't think voice to text should be massively processor intensive (pretty much all android/apple phones do it these days). But some programs (e.g. Dragon, which seems to be the state-of-the-art recommended program if you can afford anything you want) seem to chomp more RAM than others (recommendation for Dragon seems to be 16GB RAM).

abilitynet.org.uk/factsheets/voice-recognition-overview gives a bit of an outline of what you can do with voice recognition software and what the options are.

Techradar has a good overview of what's available (I find Techradar's comparative reviews on pretty much everything really useful):
www.techradar.com/uk/news/best-speech-to-text-app

Also worth talking to your school's SENCO and also the ed psych who did your son's diagnosis to see what they recommend.

(If your DS is dyslexic, you probably have a collection of mental metaphors already there to handle understanding laptops - chip processor speed always seems to me to be very similar to processing speed in humans, on-chip and RAM are a bit like "working memory", whereas overall memory is like human long-term memory. If your DS is anything like mine, we have massive problems with the first two of these, but his long-term memory is incredible - he can memorise pieces of music and song lyrics so much better than I can, largely out of necessity, because his reading is so crap he can't rely on "I'll look it up when I need to know it" as a strategy.)

Wonderingwhyme · 09/08/2020 13:50

@DianasLasso he does to a special needs school so they are great but Are not geared up well technology wise hence why I am buying his own laptop so he can use it in every lesson. School recommended the dragon but that is it... so looks like I need to now factor in the 16gb... my mind is getting fried, I’m really not good with technology and it stresses me out!

His dyslexia is very similar to your ds, long term memory amazing and will tell me stuff I said, where we were etc etc but yes short term not so great!

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Wonderingwhyme · 10/08/2020 11:55

@DianasLasso when you said I would need at least 4gb is that storage or memory?

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DianasLasso · 10/08/2020 21:37

[quote Wonderingwhyme]@DianasLasso when you said I would need at least 4gb is that storage or memory?[/quote]
4GB too small. You want 8, possibly 16 (seems to be the recommended amount for Dragon speech recognition).

This is the RAM - the random access memory that the computer pops stuff into and reads back out of while it's working. (Not the long term storage where you'd put word documents, photos, downloaded films, your Kindle books -that would more typically be about 512GB on a laptop. Tablets don't have this second type of long term storage at all - everything gets stored remotely in the cloud.)

Wonderingwhyme · 11/08/2020 05:53

Thank you @DianasLasso I can’t find anything under my budget...I think I will have to get a refurbished one.... .

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Wecandothis99 · 11/08/2020 06:27

HP Envy is AMAZING!! kind of small but I'm not really sure which one you're referring to so not sure if sake size but check it out. It's 800 but I got discount on it recently so could still be on sale in curry

Wecandothis99 · 11/08/2020 06:28

Sorry just realised this thread is quite old so you probably have is sorted now.

Wonderingwhyme · 11/08/2020 07:21

No, not old, I have replied on there today @Wecandothis99 I just can’t find what I need in my budget!

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Wecandothis99 · 11/08/2020 07:24

Oh sorry I was delirious this morning. Ah yes that's the thing without it the budget you do end up with shit with no memory WH in goes so slowly. I made that mistake, for 4g and it's SO slow that I had to sell it after a week so spent more but will last a long time. You could always get credit somewhere like Currys?

DianasLasso · 11/08/2020 08:19

@Wonderingwhyme

Thank you *@DianasLasso* I can’t find anything under my budget...I think I will have to get a refurbished one.... .
My last laptop was a factory reconditioned Dell - it's a great way of getting better specs for less money.
Wonderingwhyme · 11/08/2020 11:59

I have found Refurbished Dell Latitude E7240 Core i7 8GB 128GB 12.5 Inch Windows 10 Professional Laptop for £379 or a Refurbished HP EliteBook 820 G2 Core i5 5300 8GB 256GB 12.5 Inch Windows 10 Pro Laptop for £329 @DianasLasso, which would you get? I don’t mind refurbed esp as knowing ds he will probably drop it or something Confused also with the dragon thing, do you know how it works? Do you have to laptop you want it on then buy/download from the web?

@Wecandothis99 I’m reluctant to take credit out or get something too expensive as knowing him he will lose it or drop it! Maybe when he goes into year 11 if this has been a success....

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DianasLasso · 11/08/2020 12:33

Pros and cons of those specific models - probably your best bet is simply to google reviews for them (on sites like tech radar - obviously don't go with the star ratings on the seller's websites, because those tend to be manipulated beyond the point at which they're useful these days).

Dell used to specialise in the business market so they tend to be quite robust (my old Dell laptop took a hell of a hammering from me before I finally pushed it one step too far and broke it - the new one is an HP and feels a little flimsy by comparison, though otherwise very nice - NB both different makes and specs from what you're looking at). If you're worried about it standing up to being taken to and from school every day, the Dell may be a better choice.

I haven't used Dragon myself, but I think it is just a case of buying it and downloading from their website. Again, I'd talk to the school about this - they should be able to offer some sort of technical help with things like installing software.

LaughingDonkey · 12/08/2020 07:23

@Wonderingwhyme

I have had a look at both laptops and Dragon software system requirements. You need RAM 4GB min, dual core processor (CPU), 8GB to store it and 16-bit (minimum) sound card - the higher computer capabilities the better performance of Dragon software.

Dell: RAM 8GB; Intel Core 7i, 128GB storage and 24-bit sound card. It weighs 1.36 kg and has robust chassis (protected from knocks). This one looks like a winner! :)

HP Elite: RAM 8GB, Intel Core 5i, 256GB storage and unknown sound card capabilities (looked around for this, but there's no indication anywhere). Weighs 1.5kg.

Wonderingwhyme · 12/08/2020 08:38

@LaughingDonkey thanks so much that really helps. I hope the dragon thing works I really do otherwise I’m back to square one with him!

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Wonderingwhyme · 16/08/2020 13:36

I have the laptop hoorah but looked at dragon.... £350!!!!!!!

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DianasLasso · 16/08/2020 13:46

@Wonderingwhyme

I have the laptop hoorah but looked at dragon.... £350!!!!!!!
Hooray for the new laptop.

Get in touch with the tech support person at your son's school as soon as term restarts - they may be able to get it as part of an educational package and install it for you under a licencing agreement.

In the mean time, Windows 10 comes with a free built-in dictation program which might be worth trying out:
www.lifewire.com/best-speech-to-text-software-4688519

Wonderingwhyme · 16/08/2020 13:50

It’s a very small school and they are really behind technology wise but I will definitely speak to them about this. My other option is applying through family fund, but that takes quite a few month to process (may well be even longer in current climate. They helped years back for something for him when he was younger and very helpful)

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DianasLasso · 16/08/2020 13:52

I've just tried this on my laptop.
I am dictating this now.
it seems to work fine.
you need to press windows + h

Okay - back to typing now: Glitches so far - it thought "h" was "8" but presumably a longer training period would sort this. For some reason it also seems to switch itself off every time I ask for a new paragraph. But overall, I'd say it seems not bad for a starting point. And it seems to work on several applications - I'm using firefox as a browser just now, and I've also tried it out in a text document in Office Libre, and both are fine.

Wonderingwhyme · 16/08/2020 13:53

Ok great thanks I will have a look at that

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DominaShantotto · 23/08/2020 09:52

Windows has speech to text functionality in it.

Depending on how his dyslexia affects him (mine is odd in that I can write fine - I can't retain and process information from reading) it's text TO speech that benefits me more. I use read and write gold which reads screen stuff to me and has a reading ruler and colour overlay I can use as well.

heathergem · 23/08/2020 10:14

Buy the best Dell in your price range. And don't buy from pc world.

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