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Somebody help me decide on a laptop please - am being useless

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charlieandlola · 06/01/2011 17:08

I need to buy a new laptop - our home PC has died and currently existing on iphone only.
Budget up to £500.
Main pc for the family - plus my work needs.
Everyone I ask has different opinions about brand, spec etc and its driving me demented.
Have an ipad, but need proper laptop for work.
Need DVD drive for work
Have looked on PC world, John Lewis and Dell mainly
Views I have got so far:
4GB, 320 minimum, 500 G ideal
Not AMD or Pentium - go for Intel Core i processor.
Acer and Packard Bell - no
Dell - mixed
HP - mixed
Sony VAio - good ( but DH's died after 2 year)

Aargh.

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Snorbs · 06/01/2011 17:13

I'd avoid the Vaio. After-sales support is legendarily bad. Dell is normally a pretty safe bet.

What kind of applications will you be looking to run on it? And, as it will also be the home PC, will you be wanting to run any big games on it as well?

charlieandlola · 06/01/2011 17:16

Thanks Snorbs - we are not gamers.
high volume email - big files
catch up on iplayer
photoshop
store all our photos ( back up on external hard drive and save on stick too)
4 itunes accounts

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CruelAndUnusualParenting · 06/01/2011 20:48

Toshiba, HP/Compaq, Lenovo and Dell tend to be pretty solid. Not too sure about Acer, but my MIL's Acer has lasted well. Packard bell have a poor rep.

2GB RAM is probably OK for your application mix, more is usually better.

200GB disk should be sufficient, unless you have a really large photo/music collection, but again more is usually better.

HaveAHappyNewJung · 06/01/2011 20:55

I'll butt in on this thread if I may :)

Similarly our laptop died and am only on iPhone, but I need a laptop (NOT a netbook) for my next OU course.

Requirements -

Windows 7 as I love it!
Ms office, as my last one didn't have it
Basically it'll be used for OU software, essays, itunes, stepkids homework, Internet and photos so nothing fancy really.
we will also be using it for iplayer/YouTube/games so lots of big screen stuff, however we do NOT download music or films or anything if that makes a difference!

Any advice/ones to avoid please?

CruelAndUnusualParenting · 06/01/2011 21:47

PCs don't generally come with more than a trial version of MS Office included. Most people find that OpenOffice is more than adequate and it's free.

HaveAHappyNewJung · 06/01/2011 22:26

Oh bugger :(

I know about open office as that's what my last one had. It's ok I guess but I really miss MSOffice - if I have to pay extra I will I suppose

HaveAHappyNewJung · 07/01/2011 07:16

Also is there any particular brand that is tougher? I'm sure the reason my lenovo died was because we weren't careful enough about keeping our DCs away from it :(

Will keep this one upstairs but still need it not to be too flimsy...

Am off to PC world to browse today, anything particular I should look out for, or avoid?

Please :)

fromheretomaternity · 07/01/2011 07:24

If you have uni students (or academics) in the family look up software4students for big software discounts

I just bought a toshiba, the one I got over yr budget but reputation seems good, also samsung maybe?

MrsDmitriTippensKrushnic · 07/01/2011 07:31

Gadget Show recs which I think are pretty independent. I've got the slightly fancier/more expensive version of their budget best buy.

ibbydibby · 07/01/2011 11:38

Oooh can I join in please? Was going to start a thread wondering how to choose a lap top, and happened upon this.

Just wondering, charlieandlola, why you are anti-Pentium? I was thinking that I would go for this, on the basis that my last 2 PCs have had Pentium processors.

I am really wanting to buy a lap-top to replace my desk-top.....are there any disadvantages with a lap top compared to desk top?

I am finding the suggestions posted here so far very useful!

thanks!

Niceguy2 · 07/01/2011 11:59

To be honest, all the brands nowadays construction wise are pretty much the same. You won't find much variance in build quality.

People will make recommendations based upon their perceptions rather than fact based.

My "recommendations" would be any of the major brand manufacturers will be fine. Just avoid the likes of Packard Bell.

The big problem with laptops are when they go wrong, they are a lot more expensive to fix. Esp given they are prone to being dropped!

That said, they make up for it in terms of portability.

If you need to move about and just light surfing then laptops are great. But if you are going to use it for extended periods, a desktop will stand you in much better stead.

As for intel vs AMD, again I'd argue most people would never be able to tell the difference.

Avoid anything bigger than 15" cos they generally get very heavy to lug about. Screen & keyboard are nicer though!

Lastly, its worth popping into PC World. There's so little skin in the game nowadays that I've started to tell people to do that. You do pay more but you do get the peace of mind that if something goes wrong, you can take it back and shout at someone.

minxpinx · 07/01/2011 13:33

I'd strongly advice against Dell. Their support when when my laptop was dreadful.
My DH has an acer which is excellent.

minxpinx · 07/01/2011 13:34

I meant to say when my laptop went wrong

NetworkGuy · 07/01/2011 16:49

ibbydibby - I think re Pentium vs others, OP was posting views she had collected, so it may have been a view with no explanation at all.

AFAIK the main plus point for the latest Intel CPUs is they have been designed for portable devices (given laptop/ netbook sales are growth end) and may use less power, generate less heat (so fan may be on less, making less noise, and using less power too).

I would look at battery life if this will be used away from mains. Many nowadays quote 2 to 3 hours which I feel quite poor. That may be the result of having an unsuitable CPU or being aimed at a "power user" and could therefore be more costly than one the user really needs.

If there is easy access to power (eg on some trains etc) then not such a problem. I would also consider visiting a store to see an item (and then perhaps buying online for lowee cost), only to be sure you like the keyboard.

Personally I have a dislike of laptop keyboards as they tend to clump too many functions on some keys. I plug in nice cheap full-size USB keyboards - move laptop and screen further back on desk where it is safe from coffee spills etc, and have decent size keyboard and optical mouse plugged in.

But that's just me (can be handy to lessen chances of running, screaming, LO knocking laptop off edge of table, however, or throwing their food at it!)

charlieandlola · 07/01/2011 19:16

Have just hot footed it back from PC world with my new laptop in the car boot.

It is here

I have to say that the serivce from PCW was fab. Got one of the guys from the tech desk to talk me through all the sub £500 machines, and he picked this one out.
Seemed to fit all the boxes so I bought it.
Not v scientific, but at least if it blows up soon I have his name on the receipt to shout at him.

re Pentium v core, based on what my friend in IT said, Pentium is slower and gets hotter apparantly. That is the non scientific explanation anyway.
hope this thread helps others to make a choice !

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Snorbs · 07/01/2011 20:03

Cool! Looks like a pretty good spec for the price. And the HP BrightView screens are good. Does the £458 price include VAT?

TheBeast · 09/01/2011 12:36

HaveAHappyNewJung - It is worth checking to see whether you (through your OU course) or your step children qualify to buy MS Office from Software4Students.

MS Office Pro 2010 only costs £38.95 from them.

ibbydibby · 11/01/2011 17:49

Thanks for clarifying re Pentium vs Core etc.

Am still dithering, can I ask some more questions please? Firstly what is the difference between Windows 7 and Windows 7 65 bit? And secondly, is Outlook the same as Outlook Express? Seems like MS Office doesn't have Outlook Express?

And, also, how easy is it to transfer stuff to new PC or laptop? When I bought my 2nd PC, was v v straightforward to do so, but am v nervous about doing it again. I work from home, and no really techy type person to ask.

Apologies for really basic questions - when I worked full time in research, if anything ever went wrong with my PC, I had to check with my colleague next door on the sort of terminplogy I needed to use when phoning up IT support!!

NetworkGuy · 11/01/2011 18:13

32-bit or 64-bit is shorthand for the number of bits used on channels within the CPU to carry instructions and data. Old machines (in the 80s and earlier) often used only 8 bits, and that limited the quantity of data which could be accessed.

A 64-bit version can make use of much more RAM and disk storage, and one side effect is that there might be a few devices where hardware is not yet sold (because the hardware developers also need to build new 64-bit versions of their software to 'talk' to their hardware).

It is unlikely to make much difference in the short term, but long term, there might be software that will be designed for the 64-bit Windows 7 and may not work with the 32-bit.

Outlook is not the same as Outlook Express and for years I would have recommended clients use Outlook Express (unless they were very much into time management and synchronised Outlook with some PDA they carried around). Outlook seemed very poor in relation to ease and friendliness when setting up e-mail accounts.

Windows 7 includes a replacement for Outlook / Outlook Express called Windows Mail, I think (but while I bought some Win 7 laptops in February 2010, I found problems with using my USB keyboard and never bothered trying to set up Windows Mail to access any of my POP or IMAP mail accounts (I have been using Google Mail and Thunderbird for some years now anyway).

kayah · 11/01/2011 18:20

I have Dell studio 17, lost hard drive after 18 months (apparently uncommon)
friend in the know who was testing laptop for me said that this dell has very good cooling system, which you want to have if you are going to use your laptop a lot.

How about netbook and pc for the family?

kayah · 11/01/2011 18:21

I am sure HP cooling system is not that great.
Watch out for overheating.

NetworkGuy · 11/01/2011 18:23

One earlier question was about any pros and cons of a laptop vs desktop - my personal dislike is Laptop keyboards, and I plug in some cheap full-size keyboards so keys are in familiar locations whatever the make of laptop or desktop in use.

With a desktop there is more flexibility to alter things (add a second graphics card, change to have a better sound card, plug in lots more items on USB) but for many people these differences are hardly important.

A desktop could have a bigger monitor plugged in if the graphics card allows for high resolution, for example, but the only other thing for a desktop and against a laptop is the physical size in terms of making it less likely to be stolen.

Laptops and Netbooks, iPads and so on, are all in the 'desirable' category and could be easily sold by a thief, while a desktop just isn't the sort of thing someone could pop in a backpack and walk off with.

TheBeast · 11/01/2011 19:09

The version of MS Office 2010 pro sold by Software4Students which I mentioned above includes Outlook.

"Microsoft Office 2010 Professional Plus edition includes more programs and more value for students:

? Microsoft Word 2010
? Microsoft Outlook 2010
? Microsoft PowerPoint 2010
? Microsoft Excel 2010
? Microsoft Access 2010
? Microsoft InfoPath 2010
? Microsoft Communicator
? Microsoft Publisher 2010
? Microsoft OneNote 2010
? Microsoft SharePoint Workspace 2010
? Microsoft Office Web Apps"

ibbydibby · 12/01/2011 18:25

on the verge of buying this

but one last wibble - will I be able to read old outlook express emails in outlook?

eeeeek.........

NetworkGuy · 12/01/2011 21:01

would expect it to be OK to read your old e-mail on Outlook, but to be frank I'd suggest switching to Thunderbird as that would take you out of Microsoft's clutches and Thunderbird can be used on Mac, Linux and Windows machines, in case (in a few years time) you decided to switch to a non-Windows machine.

There are online guides for importing your Outlook Express mail into Thunderbird and there are tools for transfer of Thunderbird mail from one PC to another.

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