R4 download sites

[LadyBlaBlah]

Are there any left ?

I'm presume that you're asking about downloading games for a Nintendo R4. If so, and please forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'd like to remind you and anyone who's tempted to respond that this question is basically the same as asking "I'd like to break into that house, can you tell me how?"

The illegal downloading of games is immoral as well as illegal. People wouldn't dream of coming on here and asking advice on how to shoplift or how they could avoid paying their staff for their work but for some reason it's seen as OK to ask how to steal from people like me.

Well it's not OK and imagine how you would feel if you saw someone asking advice on how to steal from you.

immoral? IYO that is true, I understand if you have vested interests

Not quite the same as burglary imo.

Immoral? I am not sure. The impact of everyone in the world never ever buying a computer game ever again would not have a catastrophic affect on our culture, in fact it could be argued it would have a positive affect on our culture.

Well yes I do view it as immoral, it's taking someone's hard work without paying them for it, and that seems pretty immoral if you ask me. Is it only OK to say that stealing from a corner shop is immoral if you own one?

Imagine stumbling into a forum where your boss was talking about illegal ways that they could avoid paying you for your work, wouldn't you think "now hold on there a minute!"?

The only real line between stealing from creatives and stealing from a shop is the line that people draw in their mind to make one something they would never consider and one something that's somehow justifiable.

Maybe it's because people don't ever have to look the hard working people that are being ripped off in the eye. They can pretend it's not real theft, that it's somehow OK, that no one gets hurt, that they don't make any difference, that they need the game/film/cd/show. Meanwhile people loose their jobs and their families suffer.

If you don't like someone's output then don't buy it, that's easy enough. But to steal it?

Lady, I have pm'd you

slummy could you pm me too?!

i have used nds multigames in the past to buy a load on one cartridge.

I hope not with details on a site....

It's things like that that I find quite depressing. I learn a lot from this site and in return to give something back I try and help out with IT stuff.

In thanks and gratitude I see people who think that it's OK to dip their hand into my wallet and help people to put my wage in danger.

For all of the people who work hard to earn their living doing this kind of thing and for all their families that depends on them I would just like to say to you thanks a bunch.

whatever

The Tory's are going to take away Child Benefit from some parents and they get lynched on here.

Simultaneously other people are talking, either seriously or jokingly, about trashing the hard work and livelihoods of thousands of people.

Who's worse?

Not quite the same as burglary Its theft of intellectual property a criminal offence.

don't get your argument lady - if nobody bought a computer game again, but instead got hold of them illegally, how would this improve our culture?

BP I'm with you on this one I've had my intellectual property copied in a different context and it's a very real kind of theft.

if the price of computer games reflected what they are worth then maybe people wouldn't want need to 'steal' them

So it's OK to steal things you think are overpriced then ? Does that apply, for example, to clothes?

God, I am so out of the loop. I was going to post "why don't you just use iPlayer?".

As you were...

but clothes aren't available for download are they

habbiboo

God I wish they were.

Habbiboo I also thought that . In fact I clicked on the thread because earlier on I was having some trouble with the History of the World in 100 Objects podcast.

"if the price of computer games reflected what they are worth then maybe people wouldn't need to 'steal' them"

Who knows what they "are" worth, and when you're competing with "free" valuing something is hard.

Looking at that one industry in particular most game companies and developers don't make mega money. I don't even think that most games make a profit these days, the companies rely on finding one or two hits to pay for the losses.

Years ago we used to see lots of independent games programmers working in their bedrooms making games. They've mostly gone now. Why? The market is quite simply too risky, it's hard to make money out of it.

Aside from the moral aspect of stealing from those people how do you think it feels to put all that time in and to see the number of stolen copies of a game far outstrip the number sold?

As someone else has already pointed out if you don't agree with the price of something the correct answer is to walk away not to steal it.

"but clothes aren't available for download are they"

So because you can steal something it's OK to steal it?

I do know where you are coming from Badgers however I worked in IT for many years myself and the people I worked with were the worst for getting 'free stuff'.

It's weird how free is defined. I use OpenOffice which has been designed to be free to attack the ripoff that is Microsoft. What do Microsoft think about that? It is a blatant copy of their products and an aggressive attack on them but somehow seen as being OK

I think this is a terribly complicated argument and not as easy as saying bad to download freebies, good to pay full retail price. Games companies sometimes rely on free downloads to get the message out and become 'viral' etc.

As it goes, we have paid for every single game we have ever bought at full price but I am getting pissed off with everyone saying "just get an R4 card", and the DSs saying "x has 40 games, I have only got 4, s'not fair" etc

I found an interesting blog about this from a well known games developer. I think he has a point.

here

"the people I worked with were the worst for getting 'free stuff'."

I've seen that too, and I really don't understand it and I do challenge it.

"It's weird how free is defined."

Well no it's not.

Open Office is truly "free" because the developers choose to release it that way.

Downloading an illegal copy of a game is only "free" because you've taken it upon yourself to make it so, in the same way as stealing anything else is "free".

As to Open Office itself I don't view that as being a "blatant copy", it's a Word Processor, and there are many of them that share a lot in common because they do do basically the same things.

Generally Open Source is great. I can understand how a company might feel somewhat victimised when an Open Source project so clearly goes after their market share but that's just the way things are.

MS haven't fared too well when it comes to Office but the Open Source challenge has driven Microsoft's Database and Development tool kits to be something truly top notch.

When Office's best innovation is an annoying tool bar design you know that there's trouble.

"I think this is a terribly complicated argument and not as easy as saying bad to download freebies, good to pay full retail price. Games companies sometimes rely on free downloads to get the message out and become 'viral' etc."

Yes it is that easy.

If a games company choose to release a free demo then that's their right. If they choose to release it as Shareware, Freeware, Open Source or whatever again that's their choice.

I do not believe that people have the right to make that choice for them. In the same way I do not believe that any thief has the right to decide for the home owner that all property is theft and therefore they can steal their TV.

"x has 40 games, I have only got 4, s'not fair"

And that's where some parental guidance comes in. When I was young I knew people that would pinch sweets from shops, but I knew that was wrong, so I didn't do it. But yes it was annoying to see those who ignored the law and the basic principle of right and wrong and seemed to have more than me.

I'm a few years away from having to face that sort of question but it'll come :)

"I found an interesting blog about this from a well known games developer. I think he has a point."

And again my point stands with his game he has the choice of how to distribute it.

And in the end that's my whole point. It's the creators choice how they release their creation. To override them, to disrespect them and to steal from them is just wrong.

And I hope that people come to be aware of that. I hate the pointless law suits and granny suing that's going on right now over illegal file sharing. The only solution is for people to view stealing from a creative the same way as they view stealing from a shop owner.

Theft is theft.