Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Gardening

Find tips and tricks to make your garden or allotment flourish on our Gardening forum.

New build garden, im hopeless and need some advice desperately.

37 replies

rosieposey · 08/03/2010 11:47

Ok any advice gratefully recieved sorry for the longish post but i really dont know who else to ask for advice.

We moved into a new build 3 months ago the garden is rectangular being approx 10 meters across and 7 in depth so not that big really. They laid turf down for us which because of all of the snow just only now seems too be knitting and less squishy. Its major problem i think is that fact that it slopes slightly, not terribly but enough to notice.

The problem is i have no idea what to do with it, I dont know what to plant (we have a small dog, cat and 13 month old as well as 3 teenagers) and we have to have a shed (as no gargage) as well as room for our large 10 seater table (there are loads of us if we eat outside!) and i havent got a clue what to do and where to put anything. We are really on a limited budget and probably couldnt afford decking (not to mention i dont think i want decking) but obviously need a hard surface to put the large table and chairs on as well as the shed. What about gravel/shingle with a plastic membrane underneath? would that work?

We also have the problem of looking straight onto a large brick wall at the bottom of the garden (the side of our neighbours house) and its about metres in height - if perhaps i put the table and chairs in the far left hand corner of the garden and the shed in the near left hand corner how does that sound?

Ok well i havent got a clue about gardening/plants or design but i am really hoping and would be so grateful if anyone had any ideas, its an ugly rectangle of grass with a massive brick wall the other side of the bottom fence - it needs some serious help and i cant spend more than about £500 as we have the shed to buy as well.

TIA

OP posts:
seashore · 09/03/2010 20:11

I love gardening but haven't been able to for ages cause of pregnancies etc so here's some tips from a frustrated gardener who would love to be sorting out a new plot like yours!

Always plant in odd no.s - 3's or 5's etc otherwise it looks too artifical.

Think about height, gardens are as much about up as across, the silver birches are a great idea. With trees the smaller you plant them the quicker they are to establish, birches are particularly quick, in a few yrs they'll look like they've always been there.

Too stretch budget buy mail order, you'll get far more for your money and avoid making on whim purchases at nursery.

Pick up a few copies of Gardeners World, always full of great ideas. Plus you never know, you might really get into it, gardening can become a passion.

Some grasses and allium bulbs around the birches would look impressive but is simple to do.

Don't neglect shady spots, there's a huge range of ferns, planted in groups they always look v rich. Try some Hellebores too.

When planting always remember a penny for the plant a pound for the soil - I think it goes, anyway as you plant enrich the soil with compost, some chicken pellets, or a sprinkling of seaweed feed, just to get the plant off to a good start, then water.

Otherwise gardening is really easy, just read label on plant and always put plant incorrect position, sun, shade etc, your garden will oblige and become beautiful.

If you use pots, get the biggest possible so that the plants aren't too dependant on you for watering and use moisture retaining gel. Pieris look amazing in spring time in barrels, you would need to use acid compost. Mostly though container gardening isn't a quick fix but labour intensive.

Grab a few gardening books in a secondhand store and you'll have it soon figured.

Pannacotta · 09/03/2010 22:13

seashore can I ask what sort of grasses you meant for under the Birch?
We have some Birch and have struggled to know what to underplant them with.
Am thinking maybe evergreen ferns and hellebores, but grasses and Alliums together sounds lovely...

GrendelsMum · 10/03/2010 09:10

Pannacotta - have you seen the birches at Anglesey Abbey? They've been underplanted with (IIRC) bergenia, ophiopogens nigrescens, and hellebores, and they look absolutely stunning!

Rosie - if you do an accurate plan of the garden (i.e. size, which way is North, where the doors from garden are, etc) and take some photos, and stick them up on your profile, between us here we can probably come up with a good design for you.

Pannacotta · 10/03/2010 10:09

GrendelsMum no I haven't, sadly I wasn't that into gardening when we lived in Cambridge.
I'll have to go next time I am down there.

I do like the sound of the underplanting, though am not madly keen on ophiopogens nigrescens.

rosieposey · 10/03/2010 10:40

Sorry for late replys - i have had a teething DS to contend with (thank goodness for Calpol).

Seashore thanks for all of the suggestions - i am glad everybody approves of the silver birches idea they are lovely and apparently grow fairly quickly.

Grendelsmum i will take some photos in a min and put them up on my profile and explain next to which photo the direction of the garden - its not very big so if i take a couple at the bottom of the garden and then a couple at the top too (you will be able to see the slight slope too) and any help/ideas of where to put everything would be fantastic

Basically its a smallish garden and the table and chairs (which are fairly sizeable) need to go somewhere as does the shed, i also have a swing/love seat that i sit on alot during the summer evenings reading so if there is somewhere that i could put that i would be made up - the suggestions so far for plants and shrubs seem to be fairly straightforward and i am really looking forward to buying and planting them.

OP posts:
seashore · 11/03/2010 00:06

Hi Pannacotta, sorry for late reply, (busy with teething here too!) there's so many grasses to choose from - Gardening With Grasses by Michael King and Piet Oudolf is a great book about them. How many types would depend on the space, with just three birches I would stick a broad sweep of the same grass beneath, Stipa tennuissima is a favourite of mine and it's also evergreen,it has pale yellow-green leaves which would match the birch leaves, especially when they're turning during autumn.

GrendelsMum that sounds like a brilliant planting at Anglesey Abbey, if it's shadey that might be a good option.

Pannacotta · 12/03/2010 10:21

Thanks seashore, will see if our library has the book.
Evergreen grasses would be good as you can see the trees and underplanting from the house, but think green leaves would be better as the birch have pinky bark (they are Chinese birch). Think they woudl look good with hellebores too.
Will do some research...

StepSideways · 12/03/2010 10:45

I would think at the top of the incline would be better for your patio, even if it takes a while I would get your poor DH to;

Take a spade to the top of the incline and dig it down level, then dig down half a footin the square you want the patio to be, have some rubble ssacks handy, put any good soil into seperate bags from the bad soil, any turf you dig up and cant seperate from the soil goes in a composter.

Lay a membrane around the bottom and sides of the hole.

Fill the hole halfway up with big stones, not pretty or expensive ones, the sort of thing you might find at builder center, and walk all over it to press it down as much as possible.

Pour in concrete to fill up another 2 inches, so now 1 inch below the level of the top of the hole, leave it to dry.

Get some slabs you like the look of, and some big plastic tile spacers from b&q, working in lines leaving a little gap between the edge of the hole and the forst slab, put a dob of concrete under there the first slab will go and put it down, use the spacers to work upward in rows treating the slabs like big tiles, make sure they're snugly into the spacers to make the spacing even and neat, leave to dry.

You could then use some coloured concrete, you can get a colour mix to dye concrete if it will suit better, and like grouting tiles go over your patio putting as much of this concrete between the gaps as possible until it's flush, have some damp towles handy for wiping away unwanted concrete.

Of course I'm not a professional builder, just a keen diy'er, try YouTube, there seems to be videos on how to do almost any DIY task!

GrendelsMum · 12/03/2010 16:30

Do put your garden photos on Rosieposie! BTW, hope you don't mind me saying this but you're gorgeous! Can't you talk random men into building you a patio for free? Suppose not.

Seashore and Pannacotta - you absolutely must see the birches at Anglesey Abbey in person at some time, they are almost unbearably stunning. (Don't go at the weekend though as it gets very busy.) But meanwhile, do go to Flickr and type in 'birches Anglesey Abbey', to see how it looks.

As a novice to grasses I didn't actually find 'Gardening With Grasses' very helpful, because of the lack of photos - I found that you needed too much knowledge of the grasses, so I spent the whole time on the internet looking up every grass that was listed in the index. For starting gardening with grasses, I found a book in the library with lots of photos much more helpful. After all that, I planted stipa tenuissima, which is probably exactly what I would have planted anyway if I hadn't read the books, and it's done very well, with quite a few seedlings.

This is going to sound awful, BUT, if the birches are pink stemmed, have you thought about heathers to go under them? Before you recoil in horror, I'm saying this as I just saw a great planting of pink heathers under a pink stemmed birch at Cambridge Botanic Gardens.

rosieposey · 12/03/2010 21:50

Grendelsmum I took the photos yesterday but cant get them off my phone (im technically challenged as well as being a garden numpty) so DD1 who is good with photos is going to load them on to my laptop tommorrow.

Oh i dont mind you saying that has cheered up my Friday night! Sadly a dearth of random men around here as they have finished this site - otherwise i would have asked someone to knock me up a patio ... not so sure what DH might have made of it though In all seriousness though i have taken a few pics at different angles so will put them up tomorrow for your perusal and advice 'o' lovely green fingered ladies.

OP posts:
seashore · 13/03/2010 20:51

Grendelsmum, hi there, I'm too far away for an Abbey visit but I enjoyed having a look on computer, it really is stunning.

Actually, although I have absloutely no time right now I'm starting to get a silver birch itch!!

Also, know what you mean about that book (although, I do love it) you do wind up having to check individual grasses up elsewhere, but the photography is beautiful in it, especially the frost covered bamboo pics, I suppose it's more a book for getting a sence of what you can actually do with grasses.

I was looking at the single birch I have planted up here which survived (all chewed up by deer!) It looks good beside a medium box, the dark green provides a backround for it's ghostliness and cornus offer a nice red winter colour hint. Cornus would prob be good with your Chinese birches? Hellebores would def work.

I have a huge pot of ophiopogens nigrescens which have mutiplied into what looks a couple of 100 since busy with pregnancies. So, am now planning in the future to use the A Abbey planting! Thanks!

GrendelsMum · 15/03/2010 19:20

Hope it looks stunning - I like the idea of the box and the dogwoods very much too.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread