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Training climbing rose - should I cut these?

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NegroniMacaroni · 01/07/2025 12:16

Planted this Gertrude Jekyll from David Austin, as a bare root, back in March. I'd like to train it to grow up the fence. Should I cut off these two stems that are facing outwards (circled)? Or can I leave them?
The stems closest to the fence are quite thin in comparison so I'm wondering if I need to cut the more robust outwards facing stems to re-direct the growth.
Thank you : )

Training climbing rose - should I cut these?
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Trueloveneverdies · 01/07/2025 14:51

Yes 💯 trim those. They look like suckers, they are quite obvious because they are a reddish colour. To get the most flowers from your rose, you should start to train it laterally rather than let it grow up. Lateral branches have the most flowers and they are easier to prune. You can then prune all branches that sprout downwards instead of up. Hope that makes sense, your rose looks really happy!

Maggiethecat · 01/07/2025 15:15

Hope you don’t me jumping on @NegroniMacaroni.
I bought bare root roses from DA in March too and planted in pots and beds.

@Trueloveneverdies - not sure I’m following you. They’re tall enough to be tied onto the first row of wire but will want them to grow up the fence to the second and third row’s eventually.

NegroniMacaroni · 01/07/2025 16:01

@Trueloveneverdies thanks so much, that's super helpful! Can I cut those two branches now, or is there an ideal time to prune?

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Trueloveneverdies · 01/07/2025 16:07

Now is a good time and when the flowers start to wilt you can prune them down too, to the next leaf. Good luck with it!

user8429706521 · 01/07/2025 16:18

They’re definitely not suckers! Suckers are much paler, and obviously different to the rose. Normal new rose growth is often red, dependant on the variety.
Leave them to grow, GJ throws out lots of octopus arm shoots, let them grow a bit till the growth is strong enough to bend and tie as close to horizontal as you can. Then it’ll throw up flowering growth upwards.

There is great pruning and care advice on the DA website.
But basically, in the UK. A hard prune and feed in February, feed again after first flush in June, dead head to next set of five leaves. Water well in dry weather and until it’s well established 2/3 years.

Trueloveneverdies · 01/07/2025 17:54

I disagree re the suckers! But either way i’d prune to get strength in the main stems for training.

user8429706521 · 01/07/2025 18:04

Curious to what makes you think they’re suckers @Trueloveneverdies? They look nothing like any grafted rose sucker I’ve ever come across. A sucker will be pale green, usually 7 leaves, vigorous in growing and obviously different to the named variety. Like a wild rose.
It’d be very unusual for a bareroot planted only a few months ago to be reverting to rootstock too. Suckers usually appear only on neglected older roses.
There is no doubt in my mind that that’s normal new growth, and a typical growth pattern for GJ.

NegroniMacaroni · 01/07/2025 18:37

Thanks @user8429706521 . I think the shoots growing outwards are too far from the fence to be tied back, even when they grow longer? Would leaving them hinder the growth of the other stems that are closer to the fence?

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user8429706521 · 01/07/2025 18:54

If you let them grow, they’ll eventually become sturdy and flexible enough to tie them back by the autumn. It’s easy to snap them if you try and bend them when they’re too young. You can be quite firm with them once they’re a bit seasoned!
But, if it follows the growth of my GJ, (and I’ve got a few) it’ll most likely develop a flower head on that new growth rather than being a new basal cane.
GJ can be a shrub or a small climber, but if you want to keep it as a shrub it’s a constant battle as it loves to climb!
You’ll probably find it sends out big thick basal canes before the autumn that’ll be your framework for making a lovely climber. In the winter trim any weedy branches off. Less than a pencil width is the general size guide.
But do have a look at the DA website - they have simple videos that explain it much better than I can!

Trueloveneverdies · 01/07/2025 18:56

I thinks it’s a sucker because it looks like this … . Happy to be wrong though. I have lots of climbing roses and always cut those type of branches off.

Training climbing rose - should I cut these?
Jellybean23 · 01/07/2025 22:03

No way are those suckers, that reddish colour is the colour of new growth. Suckers grow on grafted roses below the graft. They are often more thorny and the leaves are usually a different size and shape.

BestIsWest · 03/07/2025 15:11

Suckers are not always red. I’ve just cut these off a David Austin Generous Gardener. They are pale green, have leaflets comprised of seven leaves in general and are quite dull, whereas the healthy new growth is shiny, five leaves and reddish in colour. They come from below the graft. I’d say to leave those shoots alone.

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