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Help with roses

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Jux · 08/10/2024 23:56

Help me please!

When my mum died my aunt bought me a beautiful rose tree. I planted it and it throve in my garden. Then one year it just wasn't there - gone, just gone, no sign it had ever been there.

I have spent a few years in disbelief, hoping each year that it will actually be there, but if it is, it's invisible.

Last year, I decided finally to try to replace it, but I cannot for the life of me remember which rose it was, if I ever knew.

So this is where I need your help. Can you guess, or suggest, what rose it was if I try to describe it?
It was a deep dark red, single bloom, with a strong smell - not tudor rose but proper old fashioned rose like the roses of my childhood (60s). It grew on one tallish strong stem and then spread out at the top. It had thorns, though I couldn't really say whether they were particularly large or strong, they were certainly there! Normal darkish rose leaves.

I know that in Rose Season, the easiest way to discover what it is, now that all the people involved with it are dead, would be to go to a specialist rose grower and sniff their stock, but dh HATES anything to do with gardens and I have to rely on him for driving (am disabled and not allowed), so I can't get to one at all easily - if there are any growers near me in the first place!

Please help!

Once I've got suggestions, I can whittle down likely suspects and then search.

Thank you.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 09/10/2024 09:27

Tallish stem then spreading at the top sounds as if it had been trained as a standard. It won’t help as an identifying feature.

No idea what yours is, but having googled Frensham, a popular rose of the 50s, I’ve realised that’s what my beautiful long flowering but almost scentless red rose could be, so thank you!

Turkeyhen · 09/10/2024 11:23

Trevor White Roses allows you to filter by lots of attributes - could it be one of these?

https://www.trevorwhiteroses.co.uk/shop/?swoof=1&pacolour=red-scarlet-crimson-roses&paa_flower-form=single,semi-double

Or Peter Beales is another good place to look:

www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/red-single.html

TheSpottedZebra · 09/10/2024 12:42

Roughly when did your mum die -recently or decades ago?
And would your aunt have shopped in a local garden centre type place, or online, specialist nursery type place?

Nb I only ask that to try to help figure out what your rose might have been!

Jux · 10/10/2024 01:53

Thank you @Turkeyhen , investigating those links now.

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Jux · 10/10/2024 01:58

@TheSpottedZebra, she died 10-15 years ago (I don't want to remember the dates that people die).

My aunt had wealth, came from a wealthy family, bought only the best. She'd have gone to an expensive specialist, one who is/was regarded as the go to person you went to for roses. As I shop innchrity shops I have no idea of the places she'd shop e cept they're always of the best quality and money seems to be no object.

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GenerousGardener · 10/10/2024 05:30

Have a look at these. David Austin grow some beautiful roses. Your aunt might have got one from there. Also, they do retire roses, so it could be that the one you had is no longer being grown.
Maybe also look at Peter Beals Roses.
www.davidaustinroses.co.uk/collections/standard-roses

Jux · 10/10/2024 13:15

Thank you, @GenerousGardener, the only rose person I knew of before was David Austen but he doesn't have the rose, sadly.

The best and most likely from all the links on this thread is Peter Beale - he's also situated near where my aunt actually lived. She probably knew him personally! She was that sort (my fave aunt, btw).

Anyway, PB's got a few which look like they fulfil some of the criteria. None quite as dark as I remember the rose being but nor does anyone else so it's probably my memory at fault.

I may just get a rose I want rather than try to replace with exactly the one I lost. I have submitted a request to PB to see if they can find her very unusual surname in their records though......

Thank you all.

Off to google diff betwn ramblers, and all the other types I seem to have discovered exist.....

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Jux · 10/10/2024 16:19

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! BREAKING NEWS
What I thought was a single is in fact an semi-double. I think.
https://www.yougarden.com/item-p-530317/rose-black-baccara?&source=YGGGPM1101&utm_source=YGGGPM1101&utm_medium=cpc&gad_source=5&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8O2Si4yEiQMVCRiiAx1xhDySEAEYASABEgI5U_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Is this a semi-double? It's what I'm looking for anyway. The rose I had wasn't as dark as this one, neither my aunt nor my mum would have 'approved' of it, overbred or something I can them muttering in my head! I rather like it and am v tempted if I only knew what the fragrance was like. No one will say.

I can't bear Tudor Rose, that over-used perfume of the 80s. I never really want to sniff it again! Sometimes the carriage on the tube would be so full of it that you couldn't breathe and I'd have to jump off and jump on another carriage. Annoying if you'd got on on the ferst stop adn got a seat!

Rose Black Baccara Bare Root | YouGarden

Not quite black but possibly the closest to it in a rose - this beauty will be admired by all in your garden with its sumptuous deep crimson-purple bl

https://www.yougarden.com/item-p-530317/rose-black-baccara?gad_source=5&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8O2Si4yEiQMVCRiiAx1xhDySEAEYASABEgI5U_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&source=YGGGPM1101

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Jux · 10/10/2024 17:52

These are the ones I am thinking about atm. Putting them here so I can find them easily. Feel free to comment but if you've had enough that's fair!

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/crimson-glory-bush-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/frensham-bush-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/louis-xiv-shrub-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/bush/loving-memory-modern-standard-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/royal-parfuma-bush-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/thinking-of-you-bush-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/chevy-chase-weeping-standard-rose-130862.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/bush/loving-memory-modern-standard-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/black-prince-shrub-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/francis-dubreuil-shrub-rose.html

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/louis-xiv-shrub-rose.html

https://www.roses.co.uk/product/531081/rose-the-england-rugby-rose-3l-4l-pot-c?Media=PPCHRSGOOG&&source=HRGGPMPP10&utm_source=HRGGPMPP10&utm_medium=cpc&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpup3pSEiQMVZpVQBh1gpyFgEAQYEiABEgKT5_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

the fragrance of the older classifications such as Gallicas, Damasks, Albas, Portland roses, and Hybrid Perpetuals
Gertrude Jekyll, Eglantyne, and Munstead Wood.

  • 'LADY EMMA HAMILTON' ...
  • 'DOUBLE DELIGHT' ...
  • 'GRAHAM THOMAS' ...
  • 'JUST JOEY' ...
  • 'SCENTIMENTAL' ...
  • 'MUNSTEAD WOOD' ...
  • 'MISTER LINCOLN' ...
  • 'MADAME ALFRED CARRIÈRE'

The 6 Most Beautiful Roses In The World
The Victor Hugo Rose. When you think roses, this is probably what you picture in your mind. ...
The Winchester Cathedral Rose. This repeat bloom is characterized by its crisp white petals. ...
The Michelangelo Rose. ...
The Gold Medal Rose. ...
The Black Baccara Rose. ...
Rose By Sara Verdier.

Most Fragrant Roses
David Austin English rose Molineux 175mm Pot. ...
David Austin English rose Munstead Wood 175mm Pot. ...
David Austin English rose Princess Alexander of Kent 175mm Pot. ...
David Austin English rose The Alnwick Rose 175mm Pot. ...
David Austin English Rose The Poet's Wife 175mm Pot.

https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/crimson-glory-bush-rose.html

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MereDintofPandiculation · 11/10/2024 15:26

Frensham doesn’t have much scent

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