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Turning lawn into a wild meadow

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MyOtherProfile · 01/06/2024 23:22

We have a side lawn that's a bit weedy. I have always fancied making it more like a meadow with wild flowers but I have a feeling it will be harder than I expect. I'd like to just throw a load of wild flowers seeds out and hope for the best but I think there must be more to it than that.

Can anyone give me any pointers?

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sailrunski · 01/06/2024 23:27

You'll need to get rid of your grass - wildflowers like crap, non-fertile soil.

We went with wildflower turf in the end. Expensive, but we have a gorgeous patch of meadow now. It was laid in March and is now 4ft of flowers and native grass.

BabbleBee · 01/06/2024 23:27

My experience of wildflowers is that they’re easy to grow- throw the seeds on, give them a bit of a rake over / cover up and they’ll soon pop up.

When they’re out they look beautiful and definitely good for pollinators.

But…. When they go over and start dying off they look messy and straggly. Easy enough to cut back again but until they’re at the point of cutting back they don’t look as good.

They’re also a survival of the fittest and I don’t think I’ve got rid of the poppies and cornflowers that I put down a few years ago! Some of them can be quite invasive too.

I don’t think they’re the easiest option ime

Skyellaskerry · 01/06/2024 23:48

Definitely harder than you think! That’s what I found anyway. First year great, 2nd year the grasses and weeds took over. Now, I clear the patch every year, and re sow it. So it’s an annual task. Looks amazing in full bloom though!

pizzaHeart · 01/06/2024 23:53

Following with interest as I wanted to do this at our front garden but DH said that throwing wouldn’t cut it we would need to remove old grass, put new turf etc etc. so I gave up.

Changingmynameyetagain · 01/06/2024 23:55

The first year ours looked great, the second year the daisies were so invasive they stopped everything else from growing.
Just make sure you pick a really good mix and check what will actually grow and if your mix is annual or perennial.

tetralaw · 02/06/2024 00:16

Oh op you talking to my heart.

We tried to turn up our grassed patch of land to get beautiful meadow instead last year- with no results.

This year- we dig and cleared a lot of soil to plant a meadow- it's growing as a freak, basically since we planted it started growing.

But....

I learned that you can just simply put a cardboard paper over the grass, top it up with fresh soil and THEN seed the meadow seeds and I'll work the same way, but without digging and hassle.

tetralaw · 02/06/2024 00:19

For everyone thinking it's easy it is, but...grass is very invasive and it'll kill the meadow- either dig up the grass or lay it with cardboard paper instead and then work away like plain canvas.
If

tetralaw · 02/06/2024 00:22

Wildflowers are easy to grow, they are basically the weed, but they need plain base.
The bees gonna thank you afterwards.

LiterallyOnFire · 02/06/2024 00:40

Wildflower meadows attract nice and rats and so it's best not to have it next to the house.

Wotchaz · 02/06/2024 08:36

There’s a middle ground between “dig the whole lawn up” and “chuck down some seed”!

Yes, if you just put the seed down the grass with choke it out and you’ll grow nothing. So plant some wildflower seeds in modules to create plugs, then cut your grass v v v short, remove any moss and thuggish weeds and plant the plugs. Go for wildflower varieties that grow well in meadows not just a random mix - things like scabious, wild carrot, campion, mallow.

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/06/2024 09:44

LiterallyOnFire · 02/06/2024 00:40

Wildflower meadows attract nice and rats and so it's best not to have it next to the house.

Not half as much as decking!

Rats and mice are attracted to denser forms of food, they’re not going to brave coming that close to the house unless the picking are good. A bird feeder with a ring of dropped seed, for example.

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/06/2024 10:04

A meadow is a field of grass allowed to grow each summer for hay. Since it is permanent grass, seedling find it very hard to compete with the much taller grass, so most of the plants are perennials, lasting from year to year

A “wild flower meadow” in the seed-purveyor’s sense is a collection of annual (dying off each winter, growing anew from seed each year) flowers which in the wild are weeds of corn fields, ploughed each year, giving seedlings the clear ground they need to germinate. There are clues in the names - corn marigold, corncockle, cornflower etc. This is what @Skyellaskerry is mimicking.

Assuming you are after a meadow, ie with grass, the point you need to be aware of is that grasses are really well adapted to take advantage of high nutrient levels. So the poorer your soil, the better chance the other plants have of competing. So if you have a bit of lawn that’s been well cared for, the best way is to strip off all the existing turf (much easier than it sounds) and either sow a meadow mix (which is made up of grass and perennial wild flowers, with usually a few annuals to keep your hopes up during the first year) or buy some wild-flower rich turf.

If your lawn has been less well looked after and already has daisies, clover etc, you can plant perennial wild flowers into it, and hopefully they will slowly increase.

People will tell you about yellow rattle, which is parasitic on grass and reduces its vigour. In my experience, it’s hit and miss in the lowlands. The grass gets away first in the spring, and may mean the yellow rattle doesn’t get enough light and fails to flourish.

The other thing to be aware of is sunshine. If the grass is shaded, it’s difficult to establish a meadow. My shaded grass has bugle, forget-me-not and germander sppedwell in it but not much else.

TonTonMacoute · 02/06/2024 10:10

I think you need to be very realistic about what final result you are expecting OP. What the experts refer to as a wildflower meadow is usually rather drab and boring. My DF has turned part of his garden into a wildflower patch, it's taken him and his gardener three or four years of fannying around to get a scrubby looking little patch of yellow rattle and clover.

LaPalmaLlama · 02/06/2024 10:14

Changingmynameyetagain · 01/06/2024 23:55

The first year ours looked great, the second year the daisies were so invasive they stopped everything else from growing.
Just make sure you pick a really good mix and check what will actually grow and if your mix is annual or perennial.

Interesting to hear that as there seem to be big daisies all over the road verges round here (Dorset). They look pretty but I was wondering if they are spontaneous or were planted/ encouraged

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/06/2024 10:16

Go for wildflower varieties that grow well in meadows not just a random mix - things like scabious, wild carrot, campion, mallow. Having “field” or “meadow” in the name is good (field scabious, meadow cranesbill) or “arvensis” (of the field) or “pratensis” (of the meadow) in the scientific name

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/06/2024 10:20

What grows will depend on your soil, whereabouts in the country you are, how high above sea level etc. Round my area the summer road verges are full of Melancholy Thistle (spineless and beautiful) and Giant Bellflower - you wouldn’t expect to see many of those in southern England.

OldTinHat · 02/06/2024 10:35

I tried to accomplish this over 3yrs.

Nada.

Dandelions, brambles and ragwort - yes. Wildflowers - no.

Sue152 · 02/06/2024 10:37

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/06/2024 10:20

What grows will depend on your soil, whereabouts in the country you are, how high above sea level etc. Round my area the summer road verges are full of Melancholy Thistle (spineless and beautiful) and Giant Bellflower - you wouldn’t expect to see many of those in southern England.

They had Melancholy/plumed thistles growing at the Chelsea Flower show and I asked what it was as I liked it so much. Definitely one I'm going to try in my meadow area.

To me OP the easiest thing to create a wild meadow with is ox eye daisies. Grow them as plugs or in pots (they're easy to grow from seed) and stick them in the ground once they're a few inches tall. They'll spread and will come back year after year without you having to turn the soil over the way many annuals require. Scabious is another good one that I have in amongst the daisies and is an easy perennial.

Chucking seeds on the ground has never worked for me, even with bare ground I've never had any luck.

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/06/2024 21:01

OldTinHat · 02/06/2024 10:35

I tried to accomplish this over 3yrs.

Nada.

Dandelions, brambles and ragwort - yes. Wildflowers - no.

Sounds too fertile a soil

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/06/2024 21:04

Sue152 · 02/06/2024 10:37

They had Melancholy/plumed thistles growing at the Chelsea Flower show and I asked what it was as I liked it so much. Definitely one I'm going to try in my meadow area.

To me OP the easiest thing to create a wild meadow with is ox eye daisies. Grow them as plugs or in pots (they're easy to grow from seed) and stick them in the ground once they're a few inches tall. They'll spread and will come back year after year without you having to turn the soil over the way many annuals require. Scabious is another good one that I have in amongst the daisies and is an easy perennial.

Chucking seeds on the ground has never worked for me, even with bare ground I've never had any luck.

Edited

I have Melancholy thistles in my lawn.

Have never managed ox-eye daisies - I wait till they’re big enough, carefully plant them, and next morning the slugs have had them.

But they are growing in the cracks in the paving.

Diversion · 02/06/2024 21:13

We love wild flowers too! We have planted our front garden border and part of the back garden with wild flowers. The first year was amazing, we are now on the third year and the variety of wild flowers is much less. Lots of dog daisies (ox eye daisies), fancy grasses, clover and pink campion but far fewer poppies and other things. They have also seeded into next doors block paved drive (new neighbours) so they perhaps have not realised they came from us. I would buy some fox gloves and plant those, they do spread but not stupidly so and the bees love them. They are also very pretty.

MyOtherProfile · 02/06/2024 22:10

So many helpful responses. Thank you everyone.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 03/06/2024 10:15

Diversion · 02/06/2024 21:13

We love wild flowers too! We have planted our front garden border and part of the back garden with wild flowers. The first year was amazing, we are now on the third year and the variety of wild flowers is much less. Lots of dog daisies (ox eye daisies), fancy grasses, clover and pink campion but far fewer poppies and other things. They have also seeded into next doors block paved drive (new neighbours) so they perhaps have not realised they came from us. I would buy some fox gloves and plant those, they do spread but not stupidly so and the bees love them. They are also very pretty.

That’s because poppies are annuals and need bare soil because they can’t cope with competition, but the other plants you mention are perennials and can hold their own. So you need to go either for annual flowers, and clear the ground every winter, or for perennials (which includes grasses) which can be left to grow.

Perennials often don’t flower in their first year - they’re too busy building up a good root system - so packets of perennial wildflower seed often include a few annuals to give a display in the first year, even though they’ll disappear over the next few years.