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Multipurpose compost

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fatsatsuma · 23/04/2024 16:26

Sorry to post about such a mundane topic, but I'm not sure who else to ask! Bought three sacks of peat free compost from my local garden centre. Have been using it to fill trays and small pots for pricking out seedlings, and am constantly having to remove material that hasn't rotted down - woody lumps, smal twigs/sticks and even bits of non-organic material. I've also noticed that it dries out very quickly - I didn't think I should be watering dahlia tubers before they've sprouted, but the compost I've potted them up in was bone dry within a couple of days. I thought I was buying good quality compost but this feels worse than stuff I've used in the past. Or are my expectations wrong? Is this normal?

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AlisonDonut · 24/04/2024 13:42

Chewbecca · 24/04/2024 11:07

Of my 16 runner and french bean seeds, only 2 have germinated this year. I wonder if it's the compost?

I do have one of the big plastic compost bins in the garden but have never worked out how best to use it and whenever I look it seems complicated & hard work. I am now resolved to find an idiots guide and start.

Or it is far too cold?

I am in the south of France and haven't even opened my bean seed box, let alone sown any yet.

I have put two tomato and two pepper and one squash plant into my polytunnel, with another big cloche over them all. They are surviving but it is so blooming cold still, I doubt the rest will go in for a good fortnight yet.

AlisonDonut · 24/04/2024 13:44

olderbutwiser · 24/04/2024 08:51

blimey @AlisonDonut that’s quite a labour of love.

Good quality peat free is relatively expensive - £36 for 160litres of Melcourt tub and basket this year - but compared to what I spend on other gardening kit it’s not the most expensive thing by any means, I spend more on plants and seeds and the odd lovely pot, and all the compost gets used.

Off to sow my tithonia and pot up my brassicas. 🥬

Compost is life!

I love it.

Chewbecca · 24/04/2024 13:55

Good point, possibly a little early. Packet says sow indoors in April but it hasn't been a very warm April TBF. They're on a conservatory windowsill in the SE which is usually a pretty warm spot.
I'll sow some more in a few weeks.

KirstenBlest · 24/04/2024 13:56

Years ago a friend bought multipurpose compost from Asda and it was full of dried undecomposed grass.

I have the black dalek compost bins. Shredded clippings, plain cardboard, newspapers go in along with garden waste, veg peelings etc.
If I turn it fairly often it rots quite quickly.
If you put twigs and clumps of unshredded paper in it generally doesn't rot successfully.

Chewbecca · 24/04/2024 13:58

When you say 'turn it', does that involve getting it all out? Or just having a poke around? I recall seeing someone on GW I think and they had piles of compost all over the garden being laid out and turned.

olderbutwiser · 24/04/2024 14:01

AlisonDonut · 24/04/2024 13:44

Compost is life!

I love it.

Me too - I do make homemade compost at home and the allotment and it’s like the best kind of witchcraft, but the output is pretty random and I can’t rely on it for my pots. I admire your dedication!

TonTonMacoute · 24/04/2024 14:12

Someone here has mentioned having a wormery. They are brilliant for getting finer compost so long as you have somewhere to put them.

KirstenBlest · 24/04/2024 14:12

@Chewbecca , give it a bit of a stir with a spade usually, or take some out of the bottom and put it on the top.
If I am feeling like it, I'll take all the content out and put it in an empty bin, but I only do that once in a blue moon, for example if I want to move the bin.

bluecomputerscreen · 24/04/2024 14:31

you can also do the 3 bin compost method.
you fill one bin up over the year. next year you fill up the next.
third year you can use it.

AlisonDonut · 24/04/2024 14:34

Chewbecca · 24/04/2024 13:58

When you say 'turn it', does that involve getting it all out? Or just having a poke around? I recall seeing someone on GW I think and they had piles of compost all over the garden being laid out and turned.

I take the dalek or whatever I have off (here the French have an over engineered doo dah with doors and it is a right royal palaver so I wish I'd brought my daleks with me)...anyway I take it off, move it next to where it was and using a pitchfork, pitch it all back into the dalek which mixes it up.

I have made useable compost in 30 days using the Berkley method, but that means turning it completely over from one pile into another every 2 days for a month and it has to be at least a metre cubed to start with. I made some for the base of my polytunnel beds when moved here, two years ago as my garden is up a hill and no way was I barrowing bought in compost from the road all the way up to the polytunnel. So if you need it fast, that's one way to get it.

KirstenBlest · 24/04/2024 14:46

"I take the dalek ... anyway I take it off, move it next to where it was and using a pitchfork, pitch it all back into the dalek which mixes it up."

That's it, exactly. The compost at the bottom and furthest from the access hatch is usually wonderful stuff.

I found that biodegradable packaging often only biodegrades if exposed to sunlight. Teabags often aren't biodegradable.
Lots of bits of plastic end up in the compost somehow despite me trying hard to remove it.

MereDintofPandiculation · 24/04/2024 15:58

Chewbecca · 24/04/2024 13:58

When you say 'turn it', does that involve getting it all out? Or just having a poke around? I recall seeing someone on GW I think and they had piles of compost all over the garden being laid out and turned.

I don’t turn mine. The only turning mine gets is every 9 months or so, I come to the bottom of the bin I am using, so I dump all the unrotted stuff from the top of the next bin into it and start filling it again

JanglingJack · 28/04/2024 13:54

changefromhr · 24/04/2024 06:54

Are you sure these weren't fertiliser balls/pellets? My aldi enriched compost has added seaweed in it. Look like greenish blue balls.

I honestly don't know. The last lot had a yellow one in. Tiny things, but if I do see them I squeeze them and they pop with a bit of liquid.
That's as far as my knowledge goes! They're the size a silver ball you might put on a cupcake for example.

Libra19752 · 30/04/2024 08:53

Can I ask what type of compost bins people use please? Am looking to get one.

gingercat02 · 30/04/2024 09:11

Our council have a deal with these people
getcomposting.com/
You get a cheaper deal via the council website

AlisonDonut · 30/04/2024 09:25

Libra19752 · 30/04/2024 08:53

Can I ask what type of compost bins people use please? Am looking to get one.

I've used:
A pile on the ground that I put a tarp over
Pallet Collars piled up, which can be made taller as the pile gets bigger.
Daleks
The black skirt things in the picture [next to the green barrel thing]
Pallets lashed together into a box
Tumblers [also in the picture] of many descriptions, bought and home made.
Wormeries, square, round, and home made from old water tanks
In-vessel huge big buggers that turn out fantastic compost at one end, but smell of sick at the other. These cost about £20k though.
Hotbins.
Buried it in troughs.
Surface composted under tarp.
In old dustbins.

I've probably used every design of compost bin that there is on the market, in the various gardens and city farms and community spaces that I've taught or worked in. Plus loads of ways at home and at the allotment.

I've composted in tiny paper pots in wooden boxes to see how easy it is to compost on small scales, through to large Berkeley method composting on the ground which is quick but takes quite alot of energy and space.

And my ones in France now have 8 bits, held together by long poles that are attached to the lid. Which are a right old faff to use.

Plus an old 1 cubic metre builders bag. Which is easy to fill but takes alot of digging out when ready.

It also depends on your space, the effort you want to put into it and
what you are going to use it for. For making potting soil, I'd use a
different method to making compost that you use around trees or use to
mulch the garden with.

In my opinion, the best composting system is the one that costs little or nothing and is recycled, so get whatever you can from freecycle or see if anyone has anything they no longer use that you can get cheaply off them.

The second best method is to get hold of something like the black skirt one below, which lifts really easily off the pile when you are ready to use it or turn it. This really is the best design in my experience.

Multipurpose compost
Multipurpose compost
Scintella · 30/04/2024 09:34

I’m in the west of Scotland and struggle to make good compost - not much sun so I always struggle to get it going -I just leave it for eg 2years instead of one. Annoyingly many garden programmes are in the south or east.

RatherBeRiding · 09/05/2024 10:44

I have horses and my own muck pile which rots very quickly. I dig down to the well rotted stuff (black, crumbly, doesn't smell) and use this as mulch for borders, fruit beds etc and also on the top of permanent pots. Absolutely brilliant, and free. If you want an alternative to commercial composts for mulching, then find your nearest stables! I have also mixed it with mole hill soil for using in pots and containers - plenty of mole hills on the local verges not to mention in my fields!

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 09/05/2024 14:33

Late to the discussion on this one, but have noticed that for the past couple of years multi purpose compost has been terrible even from usual brands.

I have been mixing in coco coir and perlite to try and retain moisture and it has been working.

The best compost I got was this dirt cheap mushroom compost that was really coarse and airy, looked to be dry on the surface but if I brushed my fingers on it it was still damp underneath and retaining moisture for seedlings but when I repurchased the same stuff last year it had nails and glass and bits of pottery in it so i haven't gone back to it.

SharonEllis · 14/05/2024 08:08

Melcourt is the best - completely reliable & never has any rubbish in it.

NanTheWiser · 14/05/2024 10:17

SharonEllis · 14/05/2024 08:08

Melcourt is the best - completely reliable & never has any rubbish in it.

I agree! I’ve just bought a bag of Melcourt MPC, to plant up my pots, as it seems to be the best around and have used it before. A bit more expensive, but worth it.

MavisPennies · 14/05/2024 10:47

Just place marking here really.
I make my own compost, but in a very hap hazard way. It's a mix of kitchen waste, garden waste and old cardboard and paper. Then I mix with vermiculite and or grit if I have it. I have one bin filling while another pile rots. I sieve it when done.
Any and all advice on that gratefully received as it's guess work on my part. Do seedlings need more or less nutritional content? I'm assuming less.

Cookerhood · 14/05/2024 11:00

The Dobbies peat free is terrible this year - lots of little pebbles & wood in it.
I was recommended the Aldi one, & although it is a little woody & dry it is certainly better than Dobbies.

MereDintofPandiculation · 14/05/2024 14:43

@MavisPennies Mix with ordinary garden soil at planting time for better water retention allegedly. I wouldn’t know. I haven’t anywhere to dig garden soil from and I’m certainly not paying for it. I sieve for seedlings, not for plants.

lcakethereforeIam · 14/05/2024 16:41

JanglingJack · 28/04/2024 13:54

I honestly don't know. The last lot had a yellow one in. Tiny things, but if I do see them I squeeze them and they pop with a bit of liquid.
That's as far as my knowledge goes! They're the size a silver ball you might put on a cupcake for example.

Sounds like balls of slow release fertiliser, although the ones I'm familiar with are yellowish. Many...many years ago I got caught out thinking they were something icky.

I've just turned over some compost in one of my daleks, much nicer than the stuff I've bought which is very twiggy. Just need to sieve it to get rid of teabags, not as biodegradable as the packaging claimed 😡

Some potting compost I'd bought to give some seeds a good start has had bindweed germinating from it!