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Planting for biodiversity (not just the bumbly fellas!)

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ReturnOfFatBack · 11/02/2024 11:44

I'm moving towards planting for birds rather than feeding them, and trying to get more native caterpillar-friendly plants into the garden. I'm ok bee-wise.

I have a small border that is in shade all day, what can I plant there for birds? I think lamium for caterpillars will do OK. I know ferns will grow there, but do they do anything useful?

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notknowledgeable · 11/02/2024 11:45

thistles and nettles!

notknowledgeable · 11/02/2024 11:46

berries

CatherinedeBourgh · 11/02/2024 11:47

Ivy, holly and cornus do OK in shade and birds love them, although it could be a while before an ivy you plant now makes berries.

LightSpeeds · 11/02/2024 11:48

notknowledgeable · 11/02/2024 11:45

thistles and nettles!

I kept some nettles... For 33 years. Never seen a caterpillar (or any signs of them feeding) yet! 😂

OnOtherPlanets · 11/02/2024 11:51

Novice gardner here watching with interest. I’m about to plant a climbing geranium against a north-facing wall, but no idea if that’s going to be of much interest to insects. I also have a border n front of that wall — was looking at Solomon’s Seal?

C1N1C · 11/02/2024 11:58

An open meadow is the best. Grass, thistles, clover, dandelion... a border/hedgerow of ivy, bramble, blackthorn and hazel. Obviously if you have specific species in mind (butterflies), you can look up their larval food plants and plant accordingly... just be aware that some are geographically localised, I.e. unless you live in Norfolk, you can plant all the milk parsley you like, you're not going to see them.

GrouchyKiwi · 11/02/2024 12:11

According to the Woodland Trust, juniper is good for birds (and caterpillars).

You'll also get plenty of cabbage whites if you plant brassicas...

Uncooperativefingers · 11/02/2024 12:15

Also think about planting for moths! (And therefore also supporting bats)

So pale coloured flowers that release scent in evening. Evening primrose and jasmine are supposed to be good, as well as limiting artificial light in thr garden at night.

fromBodentoBandM · 11/02/2024 12:36

Lurking
No real money for plants but trying

MereDintofPandiculation · 11/02/2024 12:41

notknowledgeable · 11/02/2024 11:45

thistles and nettles!

Nettles for larvae, not so much thistles.

A surprising number of butterfly and moth larvae live on grass.

Garlic Mustard (Jack by the Hedge) is good for orange tips and happy in shade.

Ferns I imagine are good for leaf litter dwelling invertebrates

OnOtherPlanets · 11/02/2024 12:42

fromBodentoBandM · 11/02/2024 12:36

Lurking
No real money for plants but trying

No me. Has anyone any tips for cheap ways of acquiring plants? No one I know has any particular net rest or knowledge. My parents and ILs just have lawn and bedding plants in hanging baskets.

fromBodentoBandM · 11/02/2024 12:46

I follow a girl on insta called anya the garden fairy who talks about this she seems good

notknowledgeable · 11/02/2024 12:47

Thistles are great for many birds though, ours attract goldfinches, stone chats, wheatears, greenfinches, linnets etc - in the middle of a city

ReturnOfFatBack · 11/02/2024 15:07

C1N1C · 11/02/2024 11:58

An open meadow is the best. Grass, thistles, clover, dandelion... a border/hedgerow of ivy, bramble, blackthorn and hazel. Obviously if you have specific species in mind (butterflies), you can look up their larval food plants and plant accordingly... just be aware that some are geographically localised, I.e. unless you live in Norfolk, you can plant all the milk parsley you like, you're not going to see them.

Unfortunately I have a small shady border, not an open meadow, but I can dream.

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dreamingofsun · 11/02/2024 15:10

birds love pycanthea in my garden, and of course holly.

ReturnOfFatBack · 11/02/2024 15:11

Ooh, I like the look of juniper, but maybe that would be better in a sunnier spot. I have jasmine, and no outdoor lighting, so hopefully the moths are being catered for.

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TheSpottedZebra · 11/02/2024 15:19

A blackcurrant would be fine in shade. Good for caterpillars, bees love the flowers and the birds would eat the berries, and whatever bugs they can find.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 11/02/2024 19:46

Assorted small birds spend a lot of time hopping around our current bushes eating various insects and grubs. They also like the silver birch and bay trees.

Evening primroses is great for goldfinches, as well as moths (and therefore bats). Finches love the seeds. And it doesn't mind some shade.

Keeping a bit of long grass at the edges of the garden is also helpful for moths.

MereDintofPandiculation · 11/02/2024 20:08

A deep layer of leaf litter full of invertebrates would attract blackbirds, also robins, dunnocks, wrens

aitchteeaitch · 12/02/2024 17:02

OnOtherPlanets · 11/02/2024 12:42

No me. Has anyone any tips for cheap ways of acquiring plants? No one I know has any particular net rest or knowledge. My parents and ILs just have lawn and bedding plants in hanging baskets.

Seeds. Much cheaper than buying plants, although supermarkets usually have budget ones. Lots of things can be grown from cuttings, so ask friends and neighbours. There are always things growing in my garden I can take cuttings from, or things that have self-seeded everywhere. Gardeners are always keen to share and swap things.

dreamingofsun · 12/02/2024 19:12

i second the seed suggestion. I'm waiting for LIDLS to come into stock which are supposed to be good and i hear cost £1 for 4 packs.

APurpleSquirrel · 13/02/2024 09:17

For moths I have evening primrose; night scented phlox & honeysuckle.
For birds - we don't cut our lawn, so that encourages lots of bugs; we have a huge blackberry hybrid that they love hiding in & eating. Also blackcurrants, raspberries, gooseberries, strawberries & blueberries. Lots of bushy plants like honeysuckle provide shelter from predators & berries. We had goldfinches last year on the dandelions.
Leave seed heads on where you can & encourage leaf litter & unkempt areas for bugs - this will attract birds.
We had the most amazing caterpillars last year - Mullin Moth caterpillars on our buddleia; & we've had hummingbird hawk moths, dragonflies & damselflies too even though we don't yet have a pond.

APurpleSquirrel · 13/02/2024 09:18

@OnOtherPlanets I lurk regularly in the reduced/clearance sections of local garden centres - get lots of bargains in there.

Easterness · 13/02/2024 09:26

Nasturtiums. I always get a huge amount of caterpillars on mine

ReturnOfFatBack · 13/02/2024 09:30

APurpleSquirrel · 13/02/2024 09:17

For moths I have evening primrose; night scented phlox & honeysuckle.
For birds - we don't cut our lawn, so that encourages lots of bugs; we have a huge blackberry hybrid that they love hiding in & eating. Also blackcurrants, raspberries, gooseberries, strawberries & blueberries. Lots of bushy plants like honeysuckle provide shelter from predators & berries. We had goldfinches last year on the dandelions.
Leave seed heads on where you can & encourage leaf litter & unkempt areas for bugs - this will attract birds.
We had the most amazing caterpillars last year - Mullin Moth caterpillars on our buddleia; & we've had hummingbird hawk moths, dragonflies & damselflies too even though we don't yet have a pond.

This all sounds amazing.

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