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Tree id plese-@meredintofpandiculation?

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Highlyflavouredgravy · 16/05/2023 04:55

I need some tree ids please! Trying my best with an app but very variable answers.
It's for a school project! 😁
Any help from anyone would be gratefully received.

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Yamadori · 21/05/2023 11:07

MereDintofPandiculation · 21/05/2023 10:41

@Yamadori Are you totally sure about red sycamore? When I google, it tells me red sycamore is a variety of Acer pseudoplatanus, and that really doesn’t look like a sycamore leaf to me.

I agree no 1 looks dead right for whitebeam except isn’t it a little small?

No, not sure about the acer, as I can't find my reference book and there are so many cultivars.

Can't really tell with the whitebeam either as there's nothing to check the scale, but the furriness and pattern of veins around the edge of the leaf suggests it.

Highlyflavouredgravy · 21/05/2023 12:30

I work in a school and went for a walk in the park to try and identify trees. Unfortunately we didn't have a clue for most of them! So we collected leaves with the intention of using an app but the results were so varied!

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Yamadori · 21/05/2023 15:36

@Highlyflavouredgravy In parks you will quite often find that the trees that have been planted there are not necessarily native species, so it could be a lot more difficult to identify them. Another thing to try is photographing the bark - and the tree itself if you can stand far enough back to get the whole tree in the photo - and then use a nature guide book. You've then got the shape and natural growth habit of the tree, the bark and the leaves, which will all help to identify it.

FictionalCharacter · 21/05/2023 15:45

Highlyflavouredgravy · 21/05/2023 12:30

I work in a school and went for a walk in the park to try and identify trees. Unfortunately we didn't have a clue for most of them! So we collected leaves with the intention of using an app but the results were so varied!

It can be very difficult to identify trees and plants just from a single leaf. Stems, flowers, fruits, seeds, branch shape, bark, tree size and tree shape are absolutely key. And leaves can vary even from the same tree! This is one of the reasons that apps often give wrong answers.
If you'd taken photos of each tree (whole tree plus close ups) it would have been much easier!

Highlyflavouredgravy · 21/05/2023 16:01

I'll know for next time! Thanks for th help anyway!

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MereDintofPandiculation · 21/05/2023 17:45

Yamadori · 21/05/2023 11:07

No, not sure about the acer, as I can't find my reference book and there are so many cultivars.

Can't really tell with the whitebeam either as there's nothing to check the scale, but the furriness and pattern of veins around the edge of the leaf suggests it.

Agreed on the whitebeam, I was assuming the conifer fragment was yew, and therefore the leaf was about the size of a Malus, but I think I will have to accept it's either a small whitebeam leaf or that wasn't a yew.

MereDintofPandiculation · 21/05/2023 17:47

You can go on course or buy books on how to identify trees from winter twigs, which sort of demonstrates how important all the other features are,

PleaseJustText · 21/05/2023 17:58

Highlyflavouredgravy · 21/05/2023 12:30

I work in a school and went for a walk in the park to try and identify trees. Unfortunately we didn't have a clue for most of them! So we collected leaves with the intention of using an app but the results were so varied!

When I signed up to support the woodland trust they sent me cards to help identify trees. It wasn't extensive but had most of the ones you commonly see around the UK.

Yamadori · 21/05/2023 18:55

MereDintofPandiculation · 21/05/2023 17:45

Agreed on the whitebeam, I was assuming the conifer fragment was yew, and therefore the leaf was about the size of a Malus, but I think I will have to accept it's either a small whitebeam leaf or that wasn't a yew.

I was thinking the conifer fragment might be some sort of abies rather than yew...

crabbyoldappletree · 21/05/2023 19:09

Meredintofpandiculation "The only one which looks vaguely like mulberry is the lime, so are you giving mulberry as an alternative possibility for the lime? I see where you’re coming from. In life, lime is a thinner more delicate leaf than mulberry, and this means they stay flat, not slightly crumpled as in the photo. The juvenile (unlobed) leaf of mulberry is not usually notably cordate (heartshaped). And the vein pattern is different."
Reckon I have a mutant mulberry then! Hopefully photo will attach of mulberry leaf....but I did say I was no expert!

Tree id plese-@meredintofpandiculation?
MereDintofPandiculation · 21/05/2023 21:31

I did say "usually" not cordate Grin - you would have one of the exceptions! I can see that's a mulberry, just as I can see the other is a lime, but I'm trying to work out why. The stand out character is the teeth - much finer in the lime, which contributes to the greater feeling of delicacy with the lime.

I've checked Poland and Clements "The Vegetative Key to the British Flora" The point at which Lime and Mulberry diverge is

Leaves with secondary veins straight (parallel) and usually ending in teeth (Lime)

Leaves with secondary veins curving towards margins. usually forking several times or anastomosing (forming a closed loop) before reaching margins (mulberry)

I can't see it myself, not in those two photographs anyway.

They also say that mulberry has a cordate base, so that's me told. And that Morus nigra (black mulberry) has a dark green leaf (ie darker than lime) and is often rough above.

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