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Tree ID

11 replies

quickscribble · 24/05/2022 19:18

This one's tricky
(Isn't it beautiful)

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quickscribble · 24/05/2022 19:38

Here's a close up of the flower (not all buds open yet)

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AppleButter · 25/05/2022 06:23

My first thought was hawthorn, they are in bloom round about now, or just finishing up, but the leaves arent quite the right shape. Would also like to know.

mosside · 25/05/2022 06:37

Tree surgeon next to me says it could be Swedish whitebeam?

MrsJamin · 25/05/2022 08:17

Google lens search says Sorbus mougeotii

MereDintofPandiculation · 25/05/2022 10:46

It’s a Sorbus, on the whitebeam side of the genus rather than on the rowan side. I wouldn’t get hung up on trying to get it to species. Whitebeams are apomictic, ie they can produce seed without fertilisation, so that the seed is genetically identical to the parent, and each mutation then propagates to produce a “microspecies” which many botanists classify on a par with any other species. So there are very many species of whitebeam (at last 7 just in Cheddar Gorge) some limited to only a dozen or so specimens, and deciding which you have is a challenge unless you live and breathe Sorbus (and would be done by examining the plant, not from a photo).

Lesser mortals tend to regard entire leaved trees as Whitebeam (Sorbus aria) and lobed leaved as Swedish Whitebeam (Sorbus intermedia). Sorbus mougeotii appears to be intermediate between the two.

MereDintofPandiculation · 25/05/2022 10:52

Botany is like gardening - the more you learn, the more you find out what there is still to learn. Really upset my world view when I found out about apomixis Grin

AppleButter · 25/05/2022 19:53

Would love to know more about whitebeams. There is little information on most sorbus species, there must be so many lost myths and tree lore because it wasn’t written down. Any local lore would be interesting. .

quickscribble · 25/05/2022 22:15

Thank you everybody. I think sorbus mougeotii is correct.
dbpedia.org/page/Sorbus_mougeotii

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MereDintofPandiculation · 26/05/2022 09:10

quickscribble · 25/05/2022 22:15

Thank you everybody. I think sorbus mougeotii is correct.
dbpedia.org/page/Sorbus_mougeotii

Why do you think it’s Sorbus mougeotti rather than Sorbus intermedia?

quickscribble · 26/05/2022 14:40

Sorry, you're right. My mistake - intermedia!

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mosside · 26/05/2022 15:14

Ah! What I said in the first place Smile

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