Long shot at identifying this tree?

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Attached is a photo from the early 1980s - top right of the picture, at the far end of the garden is a flame-coloured tree.
I always thought this was a mountain ash, but now I'm not sure! Can anyone identify it? (You may have to drag the picture onto the desktop to make it larger.)
Recently I posted on another thread something I thought was similar, here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/gardening/4379090-Is-this-flame-leaved-tree-a-Mountain-Ash?msgid=111762736#111762736

I must say I recall this tree in our family garden to seed quite rapidly. We didn't plant it, but once it got going, it grew quite fast, which matches the description others made on the other thread I made. The neighbour, a retired copper and not in any mood for negotiation, got rid of them by poisoning, because they obscured his greenhouse or something.

Can anyone tell what this tree actually was? Or recommend something that looks similar? It's a lovely look for late summer.

My immediate thought was the same as the first thought on your other thread - Rhus. Lots of people on the other thread agree.

Sorry no idea but I love the 80s hue of the photo. It looks like a gorgeous garden. Hopefully someone with tree knowledge will be along shortly…just bumping in the meantime.

It's hard to tell but it might be a Stag's Horn Sumach - they send up suckers (new shoots) all around the base of the plant and spread quickly if conditions suit them. They are beautiful at this time of year, so if you have space for them/can grown them in a pot/keep on top of the suckers (pull them out) they definitely earn their place in the garden.

Because of the runners problem, I'd go for a red leaved acer if you like red leaved trees.

Pirius maybe ?

This garden looks remarkably similar to one I know… it’s not in a place beginning with K is it ?

I was going to suggest Sumac as well as a pain in the ass tree that grows everywhere. Just googled Rhus and realised it's the same plant!

Hi @Katshouldnotswim - no, it doesn't begin with 'K' - we're in Surrey, btw. Thanks for the tips so far!

It looks like a sumac to me too. Did it have flowers, then berries, like this? They were very fashionable in the 70s/80s.

In the gardening section of a recent edition of the Times, they had.picture with a similar sort of tree - lovely and flame at the end of the summer, and I attach a pic of it. It's this kind of thing - is this the same as everyone's been mentioning?

Here, if it sticks:

Okay sorry the pictures aren't going thru for some reason...!

You gonna try again OP? I'm back on the thread and waiting to identify!

I immediately thought Sumac as well. They go lovely and red in autumn.

Hi, how about this @heldinadream ? The red tree, I made the leaves a bit redder but you get the idea.

And this is the whole picture of that newspaper cutting! It shows similar trees on the left hand side!

Pretty sure it's a sumac, OP. The ones in that picture look quite young so maybe haven't bushed out as much as the one I know. The leaf shape and colour is spot on. As is the style of the branches and 'canopy'

Yes its sumac - i love them and have them growing along my driveway. I just cut the suckers off when they come up where i dont want them. Fantastic autumn colour!

Yep I'd say that's definitely Rhus aka Sumac. Everyone agrees it seems. Are you still not sure OP?

Beautiful old photo. I love red leaves. I had a young Acer Palmatum in the garden which did nothing but just about survive in the ground. I took it out and replanted it in a pot and now it's growing beautifully. Will post a photo later x

I think you can get less invasive varieties such as rhus typhina 'Tiger Eyes', but if you want to plant something with autumnal colour, how about an acer palmatum, or maybe euonymus alatus or viburnum opulus - the guelder rose?

Thanks everyone, of course it's a long time ago now and I can't recall exactly what the tree was like, but these are good suggestions. I will look them up - not sure if the local garden centre will have them or if I'll order online.