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Please help me break my mint curse!

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PingedThroughTheWall · 25/07/2021 19:50

Every year I buy a beautifully promising mint plant from the garden centre.
It goes into a lovely pot in dappled shade and gets regular (but not too much) water.
Every year the same thing happens - it looks extremely happy for a few weeks, grows quickly, but then the leaves develop small yellow spots. The leaves start to turn full yellow. And eventually it dies.

Googling this year suggests the yellow dots might be spider mites?? I can see nothing alive on the plant though. Anyone else had this? Any suggestions?

I'm so fed up, I really thought this year it wouldn't happen! I'm happy to go full chemical warfare on it if anyone has any recommendations.

Thank you!

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MereDintofPandiculation · 27/07/2021 12:17

Definitely lots of miniscule red crawling things (red spider mites?)
As above but almost clear/cream coloured rather than red
Red spider mite aren't red. They're yellowy brown colour with a couple of darker spots. There is a small apparently round red mite-like thing often seen on hot terraces which is a predator rather than a herbivore.

Red spider don't breed as well in damp conditions. If you have got red spider, then it will have been helped by the hot dry spell we're having.

A lot of herby types of plants don't want to be tended lovingly, if the soil is ok for them they just grow on with lots of sun and little interference. Most of them grow on Southern mountain sides. That's generally true, but with exceptions. For example, basil is a tropical plant and likes wetness and heat, several mint species are UK natives, and generally need moisture at their roots, chives is another that doesn't want it hot and dry.

Mint is used in Portuguese cooking most frequently poejo or penny royal, and I've also had a river mint, which the restaurant owner brought from the kitchen to show me what it was, and that it was different from poejo.

I'd like to see a study of traditional Portuguese and English cooking, as, particularly the northern stuff, there's so much in common. We have bread sauce, they have migas (like a bread sausage) and açorda (soups thickened with bread), we have black pudding, they have sarabulho (a much sloppier blood pudding), they eat tripe in many forms just as we used to, and so on. Is it a common diet of European Atlantic countries, or something else we can blame on Catherine de Bragança?

ppeatfruit · 28/07/2021 09:59

I like the origin of marmalade in England and France being a Portuguese jam marmelo made with quinces (see Elizabeth David French Provincial Cooking) It's easy to make and nicer than being made with oranges.

I suppose it's because we were friends against Spain many many years ago.

Basil is of course a very tender plant. DH keeps trying to keep it over winter on the windowsill, it never works I find it likes filtered water. Tarragon keeps on the terrace on outside windowsill even through last winter.

Maybe the op's compost is not good for the mint.

ppeatfruit · 28/07/2021 10:02

Dh just said that the Rumanian name for orange is "Portugal" Grin

PingedThroughTheWall · 28/07/2021 10:55

@ppeatfruit

A lot of herby types of plants don't want to be tended lovingly, if the soil is ok for them they just grow on with lots of sun and little interference. Most of them grow on Southern mountain sides. I'll never forget the smell of mint or oregano and rosemary in the air, they were growing wild by the sea on cliffs in Portugal.
I planted some thyme earlier and the label said "grows well in poor soil" ha!

Well the small creatures I ordered have arrived! I'm quite excited, we shall see...

Does anyone know how soon I should see an improvement?

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Katedanielshasakitty · 28/07/2021 11:13

My thyme is really thriving in its rubbish soil. I don't want to repot it in autumn. Just incase it feels like it's being treated too well 🤣

NewYearNewTwatName · 28/07/2021 13:49

Does anyone know how soon I should see an improvement?

difficult to say, fingers crossed the damage on the leaves won't get worse , and it will be once new leaves and shoot grow is when you will know, because hopefully they won't be affected or, at least as bad. But it could be an on going battle for awhile. If you have loose ambly they will die off quickly after hopefully destroying the live thrip, you could do with ambly in a bag to follow as they can then manage any new baby thrip that hatch.

If you have good eye sight ( or get a magnifying glass) check under a leaf tomorrow, you should be able to see a lot of activity!

PingedThroughTheWall · 28/07/2021 13:53

Ooooh well that's an invitation!!! I shall report back from the battlefield....

I've bought amblyseius in sachets which hang on the plant for 6 weeks I think.

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NewYearNewTwatName · 28/07/2021 14:02

ahh that's good then, they should be able to clear up the life cycle.

Also in that case I'd give it a few days before you see any proper actively, because the bags have babies and eggs in, so are slower to get going but last long.

The loose Amblyseius are all full grown hungry adults and set about the job instantly.

MereDintofPandiculation · 28/07/2021 14:05

ppeat marmelo is the quince fruit, used to make marmalada, which I thought was the paste rather than jam, so the word is even closer to the English. The Portuguese do make orange jam, but it’s disturbingly sweet. And all sorts of other jams - we once came down to breakfast to a choice of three homemade jams: tomato, carrot and pumpkin.

Meanwhile it’s a sad time for us - the quince paste is almost finished. No more till I pick the quinces in November.

MereDintofPandiculation · 28/07/2021 14:09

I suppose it's because we were friends against Spain many many years ago. Did we help them with their struggle with Spain in return for John of Gaunt getting help in his pursuit of his claim to the french throne?

ppeatfruit · 29/07/2021 11:58

Now that I don't know Mere But we were allies for a long time against the Spaniards, hence some of the shared foods.

Since having a good supply of quinces here I love following E.D"s recipes for them. (much easier than any other I've seen) They're lovely in an apple pie. I can't use the normal jam recipes because of the as you say 'disturbingly' high sugar content. I use apple juice instead which works very well.

PingedThroughTheWall · 30/07/2021 12:26

SABOTAGE!!!!

Came down this morning and several of the sachets were strewn across the garden and ripped open.

Any thoughts, could it be birds? Maybe they like the smell of what's inside??

Have put them back in the plants for now but not sure whether being open to the elements they will still work the same way?

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NewYearNewTwatName · 30/07/2021 13:45

oh no! sorry no idea what may have done it.

a fox perhaps?

was there plenty of bran stuff still in them?

ppeatfruit · 31/07/2021 13:24

Oh dear, mice or rats, or a Fox as NewYear says, rabbits, if you;re in the country.

Sorry for derailing your thread Ping btw!

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