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Oak tree woes

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Leah2005 · 18/07/2021 13:49

We grew this oak from an acorn (surprise surprise) in a bottle. It's now about 15 years old and I potted it on this year from it's first pot. It's grown a lot of whippy stems but has these white dusty (mould?) spots on some of the leaves. Any ideas what it is and what I can do to help it?

Oak tree woes
Oak tree woes
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tinkywinkyshandbag · 18/07/2021 13:59

They look like some kind of insect

tinkywinkyshandbag · 18/07/2021 14:01

Or a fungal infection?

Orgasmagorical · 18/07/2021 14:03

Oak powdery mildew?

ppeatfruit · 18/07/2021 14:11

Oh poor oak tree, put it in the ground! They're not pot plants IMO.

Leah2005 · 18/07/2021 14:28

@Orgasmagorical - I've googled that and it looks like you're right - thank you. Neem oil apparently treats it.
@ppeatfruit - I'd love to plant it somewhere but don't have anywhere to put it. It just began as an experiment to show my son how they grow and I never anticipated it would survive! I contacted the Woodland Trust to see if I could hand it on somewhere and they said find a local farmer who can put it on their land. I don't have a local farmer Grin. Do you want an oak tree?? Smile

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yamadori · 18/07/2021 14:36

@ppeatfruit

Oh poor oak tree, put it in the ground! They're not pot plants IMO.
Oaks are quite popular as bonsai trees in the UK and do grow well in pots.

OP - it's powdery mildew and unsightly but harmless, it's the weather. Hot sultry weather brings it on, and you can treat it by spraying the tree with a mix of 3 parts water to 1 part milk, believe it or not.

Leah2005 · 18/07/2021 14:48

@yamadori - oh that's a great solution (excuse the pun) and feels better than using anything harsher. Thank you - I'll try it. Any ideas for black fly? Smile

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yamadori · 18/07/2021 14:58

Blackfly? Use a hosepipe to wash the blighters off or wipe them off with a small paint brush - alternatively cold water spray again, this time with a little washing-up liquid added.

ppeatfruit · 19/07/2021 09:00

Leah I'd say yes though I'm in (Fr.) ! We have quite a few! some growing in the wrong position. The English ones take a long to time to grow, here they're the continental ones and grow relatively fast. How long did yours take to get so tall?

yamadori I'm a natural gardener and I don't like the bonsai\topiary type training of trees. Though thinking about it maybe that's what Leah could do to hers.

yamadori · 19/07/2021 20:23

Thanks for insulting my hobby @ppeatfruit

ppeatfruit · 20/07/2021 10:54

That wasn't an insult (or wasn't intended to be) we all have different opinions.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2021 12:24

I believe (yamadori can correct me if I'm wrong) proper bonsai lets the tree grow to the desired trunk width then the roots are pruned and the trunk,er, truncated. So a tree grown entirely in restricted conditions isn't exactly a bonsai?

I've got an accidental oak in a pot too though, which I'm letting alone for now though. At some point I'll probably top it and do some selective pruning, unless I can rehome it.

We've got an accidental sapling that needs felling (too near an 'easement') ... DH was supposed to do it but it's too big to do safely now.
I've also got an accidental apple and eucalyptus.

purplesequins · 20/07/2021 12:30

I have an oak seedling which I plan to bonsai.
it also has powdery mildew. but looking around most oaks have.
as long as the leaves are green that's not a concern.

yamadori · 20/07/2021 14:36

Hi @ErrolTheDragon that's how they get the trunks so large, yes. I'm not all that fond of the squat look myself, I prefer them to look like real trees. They are grown in the ground for many years, or collected from the wild under licence from the landowner. Quite a few are rescued from nature reserves where they want to get rid of tree cover and reintroduce a different habitat such as heath or chalk downland, many are saved from the clutches of developers who would otherwise bulldoze the whole lot.

There are so many myths and misconceptions around bonsai I hardly know where to start. It is definitely not a case of "chopping all its roots off and bending it into a funny shape" as someone once said to me.

You do find wild trees that have been growing in a rocky mountain crevice or similar, which have miniaturised themselves, Some of those are famous in their own right and can be well over a thousand years old. Nobody would dare attempt to dig them up.

Although originating in China, Japan and Korea, bonsai is now pretty much global. In the northern hemisphere and places like South Africa, the trend is now much more towards creating an image with a native specimen which then looks like a miniature of a tree in the wild. In the UK we are famililar with the Capability Brown landscape and many people train their trees in that image, so they look like a full-grown forest tree in miniature. In South Africa they recreate trees from the savannah, in the Med they use olive trees in the same way.

Unfortunately the first contact most people have with a so-called 'bonsai' is with the mass-produced s-shape imported ones you find in supermarkets and garden centres, and sold as indoor plants. Most of them are destined for the compost heap before long. Enthusiasts and hobbyists wouldn't touch those with a bargepole - they are intended to be sold to people who think that's what a 'bonsai' is supposed to look like.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2021 16:37

It's quite interesting how trees adapt to their location, isn't it?
We're used to coppicing in the U.K. - there are areas of 'natural' woodland which suffer from their coppicing being neglected.

An effect opposite to the miniaturisation of bonsai can be seen if there's new basal growth after a tree has been cut down but the roots are still there - huge leaves.

yamadori · 21/07/2021 20:45

You're right @ErrolTheDragon about getting huge coarse regrowth if you cut back the top without pruning the roots.

Bonsai enthusiasts capitalise on this effect by selectively pruning the roots as well as the top. The tree is fooled into thinking it is mature, and everything stays in proportion. Lots of small branches up top and lots of small roots down below.

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