What do I need to do with this rose?

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Looking for some advice on how to look after a neglected rose in our garden. We're very new to gardening so have no idea where to start and I really want to try not to kill it because it looks like it's been there a while and it's flowers have been lovely this summer.

I've attached some photos but I essentially need to know how I should prune it. It was previously wedged between two overgrown box hedges and a huge bramble which we've removed and sown some grass seed in their place. The rose has been flowering since around May and has had lots of pretty bunches of cream and now orangey flowers which I've been deadheading and it's still going now. But it's shape is awful but I don't want to cut it back if that is going to damage it. Monty Don was talking about pruning bush roses the other day on gardeners world, but does this look like a bush rose?

Longer term I think we'd like to move it elsewhere, perhaps to our borders but I thought it might be easier to attempt that once it's a bit smaller. Is there a better time of year to move it or does it not matter?

Sorry total novice here so any advice gratefully received!

The best time to move a Rose is in November. If you are not ready to put it in the garden, it can stay in a pot until you are ready.

It is not a good idea to plant a Rose in a lawn as it is competing for nutrients and water. This winter I would cut off quite a few branches by about a third. It is hard to say from the picture whether the dead looking areas will flower again.

In the spring the plant will start to bud and that is when you can do your main pruning. Any branches that don’t have buds can be cut out completely and the rest can be cut back to an outward growing bud. With a Rose like this you are looking for a goblet shape. Cut out weak or diseased wood and any branches that are rubbing together. Try to introduce light and air around the branches.

Roses are tough old birds and you won’t do any permanent harm to it. Don’t feed it until the spring, after pruning. When you put it in its final,place, Plant in good quality compost and mulch with well rotted manure.

Good advice above. All I can add is don’t be scared to prune back hard, they are very resilient.

If you are leaving it where it is for now, clear the grass away from it in a circle at least 30cm diameter and mulch with compost or wood clippings.

Roses flower on new growth only... so if you don’t cut it back enough you will have lots of bare stems at the bottom and the only flowers will be at the very top.

yes, you can realy prune a rose very hard and they will bounce back.
I would take all of that long branch on the left out, quite low down, and cut back the other branches by 1/3.

In November, once it is dormant, prune it, and then dig it up. Keep a good ball of soil around the roots, don't bare root it, and then plant in a good sized pot or into the ground.

When you plant it out, dig a large hole 1.5x bigger in all directions than the root ball. Dig out a bit more in the bottom, and then mix in a bucket of compost into the bottom of the hole.

www.davidaustinroses.co.uk/blogs/news/pruning-an-english-shrub-rose

Thank you all for the great advice, I've been following this board all summer as I've tried tinkering about in the garden so knew I'd get some excellent advice here! The lawn behind the rose is new as before that was some paving which we've dug up. We have some borders that we've made elsewhere in the garden which are empty except some other so we will move the Rose there in November and make sure to dig a big hole and mix in compost as suggested. Thank you!

You should prune back before all the leaves have fallen.
Thats pruning back 2/3 of the plant.. All the woody dead twiggy bits go, just keep the main branches. & cut off all the shoots off them, & chop them down. (It will all take off again in the spring.
If you want to move it, prune & move in the winter, & fertilise in the spring.
Leave the branches that you want to make a better shape & chop out all the squashed in middle branches. You'll need gloves. Be radical !

Sorry mega error, you should prune back one all the leaves have fallen !

Once... dammit

Lots of good advice above.

As well as pruning to reduce the size, I would remove some of the growth from close to ground level so that it isn’t such a mass of stems and so that air circulation improves. I’d also strip the grass away from around the plant, so that it sits in a circle of soil which you can then mulch with compost or well-rotted manure.

Should have said, mulching is best left until the spring. And be careful about where you move it to, as roses planted in ground which has previously had roses in it are more prone to disease.

Winter pruning is to prevent damage to the plant by stopping wind whipping at the leaves. ,or heavy snowfall breaking weak branches. The spring pruning is for ensuring that you only have healthy growth for the summer and to give the Rose a good shape. When you do plant it in the garden don’t put it too close to the fence. This can cause fungal diseases building up through lack of air.

Not everyone prunes twice, but I have always found it the best method. I also think it is good to know why things are done the way they are.

I hAve just dig up an old rose. ( it was in the wrong place and a bit scabby)
I cut it back hard and dug very deep, my bit of advise would be have some old pruners to cut the roots. They were very deep and no chance of slicing through (with a spade)in order to lift the rose.

I’m not bothered if I loose it, hence digging now.

Start by pruning any dead wood. Then cut out out and branches that are crossing others, or diving back into the centre of the bush. Once you've done that, stand back and have a think about which bits you want to cut back by a third and which you want to cut back further.

My mother's advice on rose pruning: If you prune in autumn, you'll get new shoots in early spring which may be cut back by frosts. If you prune in spring, the extra growth on the overwintering bush will cause wind rock, which will bask out a hole around the base of the plant where water will collect and rot the roots.

So decide whether winter wind or spring frosts are your worst problem and prune accordingly

I usually prune in March.