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To pond or not to pond

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zaffa · 27/06/2020 22:35

Evening! I was hoping for a little bit of advice - I have recently discovered a resident frog in my garden and so I’ve been thinking about making a very small pond for him. I have an ideal container that is quite small but will do one frog and can bury it down in a flower bed. I think the birds could also have a bath if they wanted. However recently (April) the cats produced a dead rat (that they may or may not have killed themselves) and I have previously seen a live rat run across the garden and disappear behind the shed (last September I think). We only moved in in January 19 so I don't know about before they. So I’m very vigilant about anything that may encourage them. I suspect they come from the garden next to us which is empty but has two compost bins and a lot of garden waste piled up against the adjoining fence.
Also; we have put the bird feeders back out, which I know may well be a food source for them.
In our favour, we have two cats, no food lying around (bird seed is in feeders in trees with catch trays) and the garden is fairly tidy (although we can’t get down one side of the shed as it’s too close to the fence). There is no evidence of rats in our garden that either of us can see but the cats spend an extraordinary amount of time round the side of the shed that we can’t get to, so although there are no droppings or gnaw marks it is possible I suppose that something lives under there.
This could also be a hedgehog as they have been sited in the garden too... or a mouse (cats have also produced one dead mouse so far - again I’m not convinced they actually killed it but I could be wrong). We will call the council out for advice once they re open and to check our property - and possibly to liaise with neighbours if there are any in the vicinity.

So I’m after advice - will my frog pond make the garden more inviting to rats? I very much wish to deter them naturally from coming into the garden (I’m not interested in poisoning them) and don’t wish to invite them by providing water sources, when the bird seed provides a food source (as does the pear and apple tree) and the shed could provide shelter underneath it . I appreciate that rats live everywhere but I would prefer they lived next door and not actually in my garden. It's not large enough to share.
As an aside I'm not overly concerned that the cats will start hunting bathing birds or the frog - they spend a lot of time sitting on the grass whilst the resident blackbird hops circles around them and they rarely move. Occasionally they try to stalk a pigeon but they are very white and uncamouflaged and old and have (to my knowledge) never caught anything (hence my disbelief that they broke the habit of a lifetime and produced a fairly sizeable rodent as their first kill).

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frostedviolets · 28/06/2020 21:20

I think if you have bird seed down and a shed it’s already a pretty good environment for rats and adding a pond won’t make much difference imo.

The best ‘deterrent’ Would be to stop feeding the birds and get rid of the shed (and any decking)

My pond is the local cat watering station, I rarely, if ever see any birds bathing in it, I imagine because of all the cats though I have had the occasional blackbird and pigeon and it is heavily populated with newts.

TheNoodlesIncident · 28/06/2020 23:17

Ponds are ALWAYS good for wildlife, and once the rat problem is sorted you'll still have a fabulous pond, won't you? I think you should do it, undoubtedly.

Also, I doubt that you only have one frog, if conditions are good for one, there are probably more. So you should make a pond, but bigger than your current plan Wink

zaffa · 29/06/2020 00:05

@frostedviolets But where would you keep all the shed stuff? We can't get rid of it, we only put it in last year and it cost well over £1k so that's definitely not an option ( no rats on installation....)
The bird feeders are squirrel proof with drip trays - the rats don't live on our property I'm absolutely convinced they came from the empty house next door. The first one was seen long before we fed birds and we have scoured the property for any signs and there is absolutely nothing. Besides, would rats live with a cat constantly present? (Even a lazy one....)

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zaffa · 29/06/2020 00:07

@thenoodles - as it happens my husband has already upscaled plans without even mention of more than one frog! The idea of hedgehogs, squirrels and his beloved juvenile blackbird visiting it is enough for him to start talking about a little wildlife camera to monitor what visits ....
I'm more than welcoming to the frogs - I see no slugs eating my marigolds this year!

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frostedviolets · 29/06/2020 00:16

But where would you keep all the shed stuff? We can't get rid of it, we only put it in last year and it cost well over £1k so that's definitely not an option ( no rats on installation....)
I suppose it depends on how deeply you dislike rats and how much stuff you have.

We used to have a small shed, it was extremely ugly and DH took it down.
I saw a rat baby poke it’s head out under it once but rats have never really bothered me as long they don’t come into the house.

We got rid of the shed because it was ugly and took up room, not because of the rats.

We have two black plastic storage box things for DHs tools.
Take up way less room.

The bird feeders are squirrel proof with drip trays - the rats don't live on our property I'm absolutely convinced they came from the empty house next door. The first one was seen long before we fed birds and we have scoured the property for any signs and there is absolutely nothing. Besides, would rats live with a cat constantly present? (Even a lazy one....)
But birds will of course drop seeds and bits of fat ball though which the rats will happily eat.
Rats can climb too.

They may live next door but you can’t expect them to stay away from your garden when you are offering them abundant free and easy food can you?

Cats, not sure really.
I have a cat.
My garden is very popular with cats

frostedviolets · 29/06/2020 00:19

Also, I wouldn’t be so sure there aren’t rat colonies in your garden.
Sheds and decking are their most favourite spots.
Aside from the one baby I saw we never ever saw a rat.
But there clearly was a colony under therec

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