Tree ident please

[DarrellMakepeace]

Anyone?

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Looks familiar, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. I'll be back if inspiration strikes

Sycamore? Some form of Acer, at least.

Woodland trust have a tree identifier app - will probably help.

Wild service tree? A close up of a few leaves would be useful.
Any berries forming?

It's a bit hard to see the shape and arrangement of leaves from that photo. They don't look anything like sycamore or acer to me - more that some leaves are overlapping to look jaggedy.

The arrangement of leaves on the stem may narrow it down, I think that looks like a 'pinnate' arrangement with paired leaves.

An idea of the size of the leaves would help too.

I don't think you have pinnate leaves because you wouldn't have a single leaf coming from the terminal bud. It looks to me like a large leaf with pinnate leaflets and a terminal leaflet, so that the leaflet in the forground and the two pairs of leaflets behind it form the leaf.

It could even be an even larger bipinnate leaf - ie the bit I discribed above is the teminal part of the leaf, and the two opposite branches behind it are also part of the same leaf.

Either way, definitely not a sycamore or acer (palmately lobed leaves/leaflets all coming off the same point) of a service tree (simple leaves).

I was thinking there's a resemblance to field maple, but it seems more exotic than that.

I can try to get another pic but it won't be for a few days, I'm asking on behalf of a fellow gardener friend.

Googling tree bi-pinnate leaves throws up bead tree, Melia azederach, as a possibility, or perhaps Aralia
www.namethatplant.net/gallery_compari.shtml?compare=bipinnately%20or%20tripinnately%20compound%20leaves%20of%20trees

If you want to work out what the leaf actually is, at the bottom of the leaf stem will be a tiny bud in the angle between it and the branch. There aren't any tiny buds where the leaflet joins the central rib of the leaf. So start at the end, and work back until you find that bud, and everything between the bud and the tip where you started is one leaf.

No, not field maple - field maple has simple leaves which are palmately lobed - ie with veins in the leaf radiating form a single point. Even if you took that end leaflet as a leaf, the veins are pinnate, coming off like a fishbone from a central vein.

But the end "leaf" is only a leaflet, a part of a leaf - as Errol pointed out, the "leaves" are in opposite pairs, and so the end of the twig would give two "leaves", not one - which is how you know the end "leaf" is actually a terminal leaflet, and so the couple of pairs of "leaves" behind it are also leaflets.

We think it could be the rootstock of a grafted variegated maple growing out - from my memory of the garden it might be likely.

If this was the case, does anyone know what the rootstock might be?

More pics coming later.

Maples are usually grafted on to another maple.

Close-up of a leaf would be handy - I've got a book about maples and it has hundreds of photos in it.

I think it might very well be Acer Negundo, which is a species native to the Americas and is also known as box elder. It is vigorous and is used as a rootstock for Japanese maples.

@yamadori that sounds very likely! Unfortunately we couldn't get a close up pic this week but I'll pass that info on for consideration.

yeah, that could be - that does seem to have pinnate leaves.