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Turning dandelion patch into wildflower meadow

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WhatsInAName19 · 07/07/2019 21:57

We have a patch of "lawn" that's probably 80% dandelions. It's a large area, maybe 40m2 so I don't think it's going to be possible to pull the weeds out by hand and I know that rotavating is going to make it worse. I would love to turn the area into a little wildflower meadow and attract some bees and butterflies into the garden. I am fine with some dandelions in the mix, but will the current quantity of weeds just out compete the wildflower seeds that I sow? Do I need to remove some (all?) of the dandelions first? Or can I just sow the seeds on top of the dandelion patch? Thanks in advance for any advice!

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Fucksandflowers · 08/07/2019 08:30

I'd remove some of the dandelions first personally so there is lots of bare ground with some dandelions dotted here and there.

Then I'd add yellow rattle plugs (not seeds), meadow buttercups, cowslips, common daisy, yellow cosmos, ox eye daisy, California poppy and maybe poached egg plant for a nice yellow and white meadow.

Fucksandflowers · 08/07/2019 08:32

Maybe some yellow crocus or native primrose too.

Then in spring you'd mainly have yellow crocus, yellow primrose and yellow cowslips then the rest of the flowers would have hopefully self seeded to come up and bloom for the summer.

Cloudtree · 08/07/2019 08:38

We have a large area of lawn and this year we have left a patch of it to naturalise. Its too big to dig up completely and so we have just let the grasses grow long and have added lots of wildflower seeds. Not much in the way of flowers this year (just the dandelions, daisies, buttercups, clover etc that were already there but not allowed to grow) but hopefully next year they'll come up. The key is yellow rattle as fucks said, since this gets rid of the grass.

Cornflower and poppy seeds are available in lidl for 30p a pack. I bought loads and chucked it around. If you're doing yellow rattle from seed you need to get on with sowing it now since it needs the cold of winter to germinate.

I am obsessing slightly over our wildflower meadow since we're getting bees and want there to be plenty of flowers for them.

WhatsInAName19 · 08/07/2019 18:59

Thank you so much for this advice, I really appreciate it! I'm off to the garden centre tomorrow actually so I'll have a look what's available there in terms of your suggestions.

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Cloudtree · 09/07/2019 07:17

My other advice would be to make it look deliberate. We have mown in a circle around our wildflower meadow so the rest of the lawn is normal and the circle of meadow is long. It looks much better, particularly in the early stages where you've got mainly long grasses and standard garden "weeds" and doesn't just look like we can't be bothered to mow it.

I think I might have been a bit over ambitious with ours. Its a really big area. I am going to mow a path through it so that when the flowers come up I can see more of them more closely.

Cloudtree · 09/07/2019 07:18

Despite the lack of flowers at the moment we do have hundreds of grasshoppers!

WhatsInAName19 · 09/07/2019 09:34

@Cloudtree that's what my husband is worried about. He thinks it will just look like we've neglected the garden. Our house sits on a funny corner plot and we've got a massive front garden, with most of our "back garden" actually being to the side of the property. We've fenced off the front to make it safer for our daughter to play out the back, as the wall at the front is quite low and quite exposed to the busy road outside. We have paid very little attention to the front garden as we tend to use the back door ourselves. There is a big raspberry bush, damsons, I think a hazelnut tree, a young cherry tree and some aquilegia which have all grown (albeit wherever they fancy and not in any kind of order) in spite of us doing absolutely nothing to tend to them. I quite like the plants, even though they look a little wild, because the garden is looking very leafy and lush right now and we're on a busy road surrounded by mostly terraced houses with no gardens at the front so there's not much greenery otherwise. But it is very "rustic" 😬 Your suggestion about mowing a path or similar is a good one, I think that might help a lot. If it were a back garden I'd mow a path and a little patch for a deckchair, but with it being on the busy frontage that might look a bit daft. I'll have to have a think about the best way to do it.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 09/07/2019 11:56

Lawns and wildflower meadows have different requirements. Most grasses are thugs of the plant world, and will out-compete most things if nutrient levels are high. Most of the wildflowers we enjoy aren't very good at competing, so seek out areas where no-one else wants to grow, eg lower nutrient areas (or shade, dry soils, high pH areas etc).

So main thing you will be trying to do is reduce your nutrient level:

a) by planting the hemi-parasitic yellow rattle as others have suggested

b) by cutting in late July when the grasses have as much nutrient as possible in the above ground growth and aren't yet returning nutrient to their roots of the soil, and taking the cuttings away so they can't rot back into the soil.

This may mean cutting before all the flowers have seeded, which is why most grassland wild flowers are perennials and not annuals dependent on re-seeding each year.

c) the gold standard - remove the fertile top few inches of soil entirely, and start off by seeding a mixture of grass and flowers on the less fertile soil below.

If you're not going to start by removing the turf and top soil, then you'll do better by planting plug plants. Seedlings will find it hard to get established in the thick grass. Yellow rattle is the exception - it's an annual and you'll need to sow it direct, but make sure you get it right down under the 'thatch" and in contact with the soil.

Be careful in your choice of seeds. Most "wildflower" seed mixes are annual flowers which normally grow in arable areas - they need bare soil to establish, so are better in a bed that you dig over every year. You need a seed mix designed for a perennial grass meadow.

Good practice for a wildflower rich hay meadow is to allow stock to graze until end May, then close it up for the flowers and grasses to grow, harvest the hay after mid-July, then allow animals in to graze the "aftermath". This is what you'll mimic with your mowing regime.

However - you may want spring flowers (I have wild daffodils, snakes head fritillary, primroses, cowslips, and non-native species crocus and tiny tulips) - this means you can't "graze" the lawn in spring, so it provides more competition for the summer perennials, and also for the yellow rattle, which doesn't like being shaded by tall grass.

And you may want later flowers, like sanguisorba, scabious, knapweed. My experience is that you'll get away with mowing up to late August rather than July - not ideal, and you may want to reduce the height of the grass, or cut it selectively where it's been flattened by wind, rain or cats. But if you leave your mowing until Oct your meadow definitely will decline.

Finally, as someone said - do mow a strip round the edge - it's amazing how much tidier this makes it look.

Your front garden sounds lovely, by the way.

WhatsInAName19 · 09/07/2019 19:17

@MereDintofPandiculation wow, thank you for all that great information! Very interesting and very helpful indeed. I'm so glad I posted, I've had some excellent tips.

After reading all the replies, this is my plan:

  1. Bite the bullet and spend some time removing as many as possible of the dandelions, roots and all.
  1. Mow the grass that's currently there at the end of the month and remove the cuttings.
  1. Possibly remove the top layer of turf and soil if I get chance
  1. Plant some yellow rattle plugs and sow my chosen wildflower seeds (making sure the flowers are perennial and taking into consideration the advice about having some that flower in spring and some later on).

Does this sound OK?

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Fucksandflowers · 09/07/2019 19:31

It's going to be so pretty!
Which perennial wildflowers are you going to go for?

WhatsInAName19 · 09/07/2019 20:02

I hope so!

I've seen these online which look good and contain some of the species mentioned. I quite like the idea of mixing 2 or 3 of these. I believe these will all flower the first year. (Sorry I don't know how to make clicky links!)

www.wildflower.co.uk/wildflower-seed-mixtures/100-wildflower-seed-mixtures/lwb-butterfly-bee-100.html

www.wildflower.co.uk/wildflower-seed-mixtures/100-wildflower-seed-mixtures/lwx-dual-purpose-100.html

www.wildflower.co.uk/wildflower-seed-mixtures/100-wildflower-seed-mixtures/commemorative-poppy-flower-seeds-mix.html

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WhatsInAName19 · 09/07/2019 20:02

Oh it does it automatically 🤦🏽‍♀️

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MereDintofPandiculation · 09/07/2019 21:19

Sounds good, except ....

Don't bother with the yellow rattle - it's at the end of its season and is shedding its seeds and dying off. So planting plugs now is just an expensive way of sowing seed for next season. I would just get some yellow rattle seed - if you can get it fresh (ie this season) from anywhere, then sow it straight away (unless you think you will remove the top soil). Otherwise, wait until you can get this season's seed and sow it in the spring.

For everything else, only sow the seed if you do manage to remove the turf. The other plants won't take if you sow them in grass. If you don't remove the turf, then sow the seeds elsewhere, and grow them on into plug plants before planting them in the grass (just typing that begins to make removing the turf look like the low labour option!)

Your first two selections are fine. They contain perennial plants for an enduring display, with a dash of annuals to ensure flower in the first season. Thereafter, the annuals will get crowded out and you'll be left with the perennials and the grass. I wouldn't bother with the third - poppies will only grow if scattered on to bare soil, and the other species are also arable field annuals, so none will persist in a wildflower meadow, only in a bed that you dig over every year. And you have all of them in the other two seed mixes in any case.

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