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Best compost for improving clay soil

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Plural · 16/02/2019 23:43

I will be attempting to improve my clay beds. I'm going to use the clay improver and also mix in compost? I need a lot so do I need a specific one or can I just get the cheapest?

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sackrifice · 17/02/2019 09:55

It depends on how much clay you have in there, and how big the beds are really.

And what you are going to do with them once the clay is improved.

Clay IS a really good nutrient holder, the problems arise if you are wanting to dig it over for any reason, especially if you want to grow veg.

If you are just wanting to put flowers in, then you can dig out the clay, put compost in the hole and backfill with a clay and compost mix, and then mulch every year with woodchip which eventually breaks down to add organic matter.

If you have an allotment like I had, and loads of perennial weeds, then 10 years of adding compost didn't touch it and so we gave up last year and covered the lot with weed fabric and made raised beds with topsoil.

NotMaryWhitehouse · 17/02/2019 10:03

We have very very heavy clay soil and a waterlogged lawn! I'm going to try some clay breaker in one of the beds today and have started a compost heap.

The good thing about clay of course is the high hiring content- I have bought some roses which will hopefully love it!

I think a lifetime of clay breaking lies ahead of us! 😄

Plural · 17/02/2019 10:25

So I haven't fully decided on what to do with it yet. This is very much a trial year where I see what works and what doesn't. The bed is 3x12m ish so relatively large and not that many weeds. At the moment it's just a huge expanse of clay which hardens in the sun to look like a cracked river bed and is of a texture for making pots in the winter

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Plural · 17/02/2019 10:28

@sackrifice I want to use the nutrients in it but can't have it as it is!
Did you use specifically soil or compost in your raised beds?

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Plural · 17/02/2019 10:29

@NotMaryWhitehouse I see it as great exercise!

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sackrifice · 17/02/2019 10:47

At the moment it's just a huge expanse of clay which hardens in the sun to look like a cracked river bed and is of a texture for making pots in the winter

i think you need to decide what you would like to use it for before spending any money. If you don't have it covered it will continue to be a huge expanse of clay! That's what clay does.

Did you use specifically soil or compost in your raised beds?

We bought in 8 tonnes of topsoil. That filled about 37 pallet collars which we are using as raised beds. we have thick weed fabric underneath. Under that, on top of the clay, is 10 years worth of composted material plus 2 huge loads of woodchip. We are covering it for long enough so that the woodchip composts and when we uncover it, if we ever do, the mix of the topsoil, and the composted woodchip and the dead weeds by then, should give us a decent enough non-weedy allotment again.

But we will only do that when the pallet collars disintegrate!

At home we also have clay but we run a no dig forest garden and so it only gets dug when a tree or plant is going in or coming out. Otherwise it is left. but that's after 12 years of adding compost on top. Our forest garden although small, consists of loads of perennial fruits and herbs so loads of material is left on the soil to compost in it's own time. We rarely have soil with nothing on it.

Do you want veg or flowers or trees?

with clay you get about 2 weeks in the spring and 2 in the autumn where it is of the correct moisture content to dig and plant.

If you cover with a foot deep mulch of say, woodchip, it keeps the soil moist, so when you want to plant something, you take the woodchip off from where you want to plant, then dig a hole, add compost and mix in, then plant the thing, backfill with the soil and compost mixed, water in well and then replace the woodchip back around the plant. In time it composts and improves the soil. It doesn't work so well with veg. Plus you need something to hold the woodchip back, which is why these things end up as raised beds.

NotMaryWhitehouse · 17/02/2019 14:56

@Plural absolutely!

Plural · 17/02/2019 18:06

@sackrifice thank you
I have spent the afternoon turning it over and I think I want to make it look something like the attached picture. I've put clay improver on it as some of the clods were just too big and hard for me to break up.
I think I'll spend the next few weeks or so thinking about what I want it before I do anything else

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Meretricious · 17/02/2019 18:49

Good advice above. I just put all and every organic matter I could find on my clay soil. Rotted down leaves collected in autumn. Seaweed, I live near the beach. HM compost. Emptied out pots. Well rotted manure. I did it no dig....just layered it on. It's made a big difference. Over 10 years!

NotMaryWhitehouse · 18/02/2019 09:11

Actually - I did also make some leaf mould last year, October time, so I think that will be ready this autumn.

I have set a phone reminder to check back on the bits I used clay breaker on 1 month from now as per the week instructions. Shall we all report back our successes?!

The previous owner planted a camellia and I have to say i think it's going to be fabulous when it flowers - I suppose part of gardening is accepting that some things will thrive and some things will die the week you plant them! 🤣

artisticpiles · 19/02/2019 00:30

MIL's garden is heavy clay, and we've used loads of bark mulch on hers and dug it in once it starts to decompose a bit. That's helped a lot. I think if it was my garden, I'd sling in great handfuls of horticultural grit as well.

Plural · 19/02/2019 20:48

Ohh yes it would be good to report back. At the moment it's looking like s lumpy field
Hopefully the clay breaker helps!

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sackrifice · 19/02/2019 21:34

Prepare to be underwhelmed.

It takes years to make changes to clay.

Bowerbird5 · 20/02/2019 10:08

I used to have a pony. We dug in the well rotted manure and straw from her stable. It is fairly good now we’ve been here 30 years!
Last year we dug out a whole bed bar about four plants and two trees. We bark mulched it and we are going to replant the whole bed. We have Ground Elder from next door and decided that as new neighbours have put most of theirs in lawn we would start again. We put membrane down too. I am looking forward to replanting it. Previously we had lots of geraniums which love the soil here.
We have roses in another bed and some in the top which is magnificent and flowers and flowers but it has lost its label.
Good luck with it.

Plural · 16/03/2019 20:19

So the clay beds are actually already looking a lot better with weekly breaking up
I can buy a huge sack of mushroom compost fo you think that'll help some more?

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NotMaryWhitehouse · 17/03/2019 08:20

That's great! I'm sure it would, plus you'll probably get a few mushrooms 🤣

ArmchairTraveller · 17/03/2019 08:31

Sussex clay in my garden, I found a mixture of mushroom and household compost works well. I do have 3 raised beds and several containers for growing fruit and veg. Improving soil without huge expense is a long-term goal. Keep an eye on the ph levels as you do it.
I do have magnificent roses!

Unescorted · 17/03/2019 08:52

We have slowly improved our clay soil ( still not there yet) by laying thick layers of compost, straw and wood chip on the soil surface. Adding organic matter to the clay causes the particles to coalesce and create better drainage by changing the charge on the clay particle surface. Because the organic material breaks down over time you need to view it as an ongoing thing.

Add the layers in autumn to maximise frost action and again in the spring it gets a top dressing of compost. I just use a cheap non peat based one - nutrients aren't a problem in most clay soils.

Try to avoid walking on or working the soil in any way because clay compacts and sheers really easily - creating impermeable pans which lead to waterlogging.

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