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foolserrand · 15/04/2018 21:41

We've recently moved, mid 30s, into our final resting place. Stunning house in the middle of the countryside and a decent garden. I've not had one of those before, at least not a proper one and, now the spring has finally hit, I'm alarmingly aware I've not the foggiest idea what I'm supposed to be doing!

I don't even know what's plant and what's weed!

Ideally, I'd like to fill the beds with beautiful flowering perennials (they're the returning ones, right?) all year round. But I don't even know where to start!

I'm currently removing the few bits I know to be weeds, stinging nettles, ivy on the floor etc. But then what? Please help me! I'm an intelligent person normally, doesn't show when it comes to gardening!

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peridito · 15/04/2018 21:54

I am very much a novice and I'm sure experts will be along .

until they arrive some usually recommended points are

looking at where the sun falls in your plot and working out which areas get a lot ,which are shady

take things slowly ,you need time to see what plants are coming in to growth

it's going to be fun!

foolserrand · 15/04/2018 22:02

Thanks! It's very daunting to have such a vast expanse, but I can see the end result in my mind so know it will be worth it!

I was trying to use my phone compass but it's rather crap, told me east was south Grin

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snowdr0p · 15/04/2018 22:03

Also a novice but I think assess what soil type you have and check the pH using a soil testing kit.

www.gardenersworld.com/plants/find-out-your-soil-type/

I like checking on Crocus for inspiration on different garden types, right plant right place, and their border designs.

peridito · 15/04/2018 22:10

The sun rises in the east and sets in the west ,so that might help .

I've often read on here that you shouldn't try and tackle everything at once but mentally divide the area into smaller parts and tackle them one by one .

Perhaps give us an idea of what you have - beds/lawn/trees/shrubs ?
Maybe post photos ?

GardenGeek · 15/04/2018 22:18

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IdaDown · 15/04/2018 22:21

Don’t do much this spring and summer.

Watch how you use the space and see how you might want to use the garden. Do you spend time in chairs on the patio (love that word)? Are there bits of the garden in sun at different times of the day - do you want to sit in them? Do you need privacy? Hard landscaping? Pond? Veg patch?

Don’t be tempted to pull up any big shrubs or trees yet.

Have a read of books & mags. Charity shops are a good source. Get some inspiration and learn a bit about plants.

Eryri1981 · 15/04/2018 22:27

Do you have any neighbours with particularly fab gardens? If you do then get chatting to them, they will be able to give you tips on what grows, what doesn't, what particular problem weeds/ pests you have to contend with where you are, and if you are lucky give you some free plants.

I had a guided tour of my neighbours totally amazing garden earlier this week (whilst my dog tore around their wildflower meadow and played in their stream/ pond!!). I am just a little jealous now, but feeling incredibly inspired.

Gardeners world website have a monthly jobs checklist which is really useful for when you are feeling a bit bewildered and not knowing where to start.

MrsFluffytail · 15/04/2018 22:28

I've posted about this before.

We moved into a house with gardens that had won "in bloom" competitions, previous owners had lovely plants everywhere, front and back. I was completely overwhelmed by it all and terrified I would dig up something lovely, thinking it was a weed.

4 things which helped:

  1. Monty Don's weekend gardener breaks things down into small jobs, assuming you only want to spend 2 weekends a month keeping things ticking over.

  2. GardenAnswers app is amazing, take a picture of a plant/ flower and it looks up similar looking plants. Incredibly helpful if things pop up and you don't know what they are

  3. leave things be for a year and 4) map out what appears where - we had things appearing over the place and only now do I have some grasp of what we have.

NewToCats · 15/04/2018 22:31

Don't do anything for a year i.e. until you have experienced your garden in each season. Take photos every couple of months so you can remind yourself of what is where and what flowers when.

For this year get some vegetables growing in tubs / planters.

foolserrand · 15/04/2018 23:09

Wait a year? 😱 I'm so impatient, but it makes a lot of sense! I will take photos tomorrow in the light, it's mostly lawn (great with 3 young dcs) and one of the beds is under a row of massive conifers.

Actually, my neighbour has just done her beds so may have some spare plants next year.... worth asking! Her 3 spent the day in our garden racing around with mine Smile

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foolserrand · 16/04/2018 07:34

Good morning all! Thank you for all the advice yesterday. Here's what I'm dealing with!

Please excuse the monstrosity on the lawn, dp is still building it poor sod

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foolserrand · 16/04/2018 07:54

Oops! Back garden photos

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AstrantiaMajor · 16/04/2018 08:41

What a fabulous space. I agree that dividing the space in your mind is the best way to start. There is no point dotting plants here and there, because, in such a big garden, they will lose impact.

I would concentrate on two areas. The first, where you like to sit in the mornings. The second where you sit late afternoon. Draw a plan of you garden and mark out morning sun and evening sun. If you plant up beds around those two areas you will have something good to,look at and to smell. There will be a big sense of achievement. Always remember that plants can be moved if they are in the wrong place.

I would then look at Pinterest, begin. By doing a general search under ‘landscaping gardens’. Start to make a pin board or take screen shots. You will find that a particular style will begin to emerge. It might be pretty soft flowers in pastels, big bold green ferns, ornamental grasses are a big mixture of everything.

As a new gardener, always start with what you like, rather than what will grow in you conditions. After you have made a list, you can then research whether the plant is viable and if not get a similar alternative. Don’t get too bogged down with that though. I have a small garden. I have a lot of roses, which do really well in my heavy London Clay. They are in the same bed of stunning acers, which require light Ericaseous compost. The plants are living quite happily with each other.

There is a wealth of knowl edge on here so don’t be afraid to ask. I have been gardening for 40 years. I had a complete make over last year and 80% of the new garden is planted with MN suggestions.

foolserrand · 16/04/2018 11:25

@atrantiamajor, did you document it on here? I think I saw your thread. It was stunning before and after! I was awed by (and slightly afraid of) it!

I think I've figured out a style, and which bits I will attack first.

I'm off to check out those apps and sites now. Thanks all! I'm sure I will be back later!

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JT05 · 16/04/2018 11:46

Fab garden and garden wall. I’d love a wall like that bordering my garden.
Astrantiamajor has given excellent advice. Enjoy the project.

steppemum · 16/04/2018 13:06

Ok, so there isn't much planting in the garden at the moment, so you aren't likely to ruin anything.
Lots of planning is a good idea!
So
mow the grass and keep it mown this summer, that will allow you to use the space and think about what you want.
Think about garden use and your family - do you want to eat outside? BBQ? play area for kids? football patch, or just a sandpit?
Think about the amount of time you have, just enough to keep it tidy, or take it up as a hobby (eg one day per week)
Think about you budget, a decent bush is £20, and small, and then in 5 years will fill the space.
Look at where the sun is, not just now but over the summer, and whether that is a good thign or a bad thing, eg in spring I love to have coffee in the sun, in summer I love to have coffee in the shade!
Do you want to do things like grow veg? (if you do that seriously it is a lot of work, but you can stick some runner beans and tomatoes in anywhere and it is fun)

Look at what is not going to move, eg large trees, fences, sheds, paths. Do any of these need some work eg trees need cutting back as giving too much shade/too old

Also think about being inside. I have planted things that I can see form our french windows and kitchen window in the spring, when it is raining and I am stuck inside.

What parts of the garden can you use to your advantage, eg the garden wall can trap the sun and make a great warm backdrop for something like a vine, clematis, climbing rose, even a peach tree!

OK, then plan where you would like bushes and colour.
2 types of perennials (ok I confess I might not be using correct terminology here) one is basically a bush/tree/plant that has interest at different times, eg flowers in the spring and fruit in the autum. Some of these look pretty over winter (nice shape, coloured branches, stay green) others are bare and boring all winter, which is fine unless it is the ony thing you see out of your kitchen window.
The other are things that come up every year, but disappear completely in the winter. There are some lovely plants that do this (eg daffodils) but they do leave a hole in the winter.

Then there are things that you plant once for this year. You can usually buy strips of cheap bedding plants, bright, colourful and will grow into a big pile of flowers and last until the first frost. They are really useful for adding colour to a garden. especially if you are new.

If you can't wait to get stuck in, then chose a patch you can see, and plant a few strips of bedding plants, enjoy them and the colour while you start to plan and sort the rest. Or plant up a few tubs pots with them and stick them round where you like to sit.

toomuchtooold · 16/04/2018 19:04

I’d love a wall like that bordering my garden

Oh god me too. And if it happens to be west facing it's crying out for some espaliered fruit trees IMO.

My small tip is to watch gardeners' world, BBC2 Friday nights, where Monty or one of the team seem to showcase a different group of flowering perennials each week.

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peridito · 16/04/2018 20:12

Am I the only person who thinks that the wall looks as though it might need a bit of re rendering/pointing,some kind of maintenance in the near future ?

If it were me I'd have a word with the owner as planting lovely stuff there will obviously be better after work done and not before .

It does look as though a climber has been there and removed .

foolserrand · 17/04/2018 07:16

That wall, I do love it! But yes, it may need repointing. Not sure who owns it, not us! There's a shed/barn attached to it. The wall is east north east.

Incidentally, how would you guys go about masking a huge ugly oil tank? That lives near the wall and it's a total eyesore.

Will be back later as I have a question about a specific plant, which I suspect to be a weed. The app doesn't seem to help. Sadly, I can't post photos yet. Posted 6 yesterday morning and my new allowance isn't through yet Confused

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JT05 · 17/04/2018 07:35

A trellis frame and climbers would hide the oil tank. To hide our 3 wheelie bins, we made a frame and screen with split bamboo and put two huge planters in front. In the planters are tall ornamental grasses, trailing plants and this year some climbers to cover the bamboo.

Mybabystolemysanity · 17/04/2018 07:43

Putting in a word for your local independent Garden Centres here (not the chain ones).

Start going once a month and taking note or buying a few things every time you go. A good independent will only bother stocking plants which do reliably well in your area. By going regularly you'll get a good idea of flowering times and end up buying things which naturally give a succession of colour and interest. Also start noticing what looks good in gardens near you. If it's doing well for the neighbours, chances are it will do well for you too.

Eryri1981 · 17/04/2018 12:43

I know what you mean about ugly oil tanks...from the front window of our bedroom we have uninterrupted views of the coast of Ireland (on a clear day...not today!!) from the side window we have a 1500l green plastic monstrosity!! We can also see next doors oil tank when out in the back garden. Sad

I have plans to build a "folly" tree house around ours as it already has fence on two side and a big tree next to it, with a drop down to the front garden/verge, so think it could look quite cool, and then when they have refined electric combi boilers and we don't need it anymore, we will have a cool little tree house in the garden.

foolserrand · 17/04/2018 13:08

I like the shield and big pots idea! Thank you!

Let's hope this works now, is anyone able to tell me if these are weeds please? I'm not doing a rock hand not cool enough just trying to note 2 different leaves

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