Plant identification (very novice gardener)

[helentheheron]

Dp and I have recently moved to a new house and inherited a lovely if rather overgrown garden. There is a patch in the back which seems to consist of about 4 different bushes... I think I've identified a plum tree (to the left of the picture) and there are two rose bushes mixed in, but the rest of it I have no clue.. I would be very grateful for your assistance in identifying two of the plants - and any advice about what t do with them as they really seem to be competing for space with the roses.

Thanks!

One bush (I think!)

The other one..

Nb, I'm pretty sure the flowers shown in the 2nd set of pictures are attached to a different plant!

Is the second one a climbing hydrangea?

PS when I say second, I mean second message!

I think the first one is a lilac -not sure if the second is sn elder (not good) or hydrangea. Google them to see what you think.

Yes, picture in second post is a climbing hydrangea

Ooh, yes, I googled it and I think the 17:58 post is indeed a climbing hydrangea. Thanks! Any clue re the 18:00 post? Its pretty small, and growing under all the rest of them, so may well be a weed..

Any tips re taming the hydrangea? I'm sure it'll look lovely when if flowers but I feel a bit sorry for the poor roses.

One definitely hydrangea petiolaris (climbing hydrangea), I think the other is wild clematis, a weed aka Old Man's Beard , so yank it out.

6 pm might be part of your rose, do you have a rambler in there? If the stem is very soft and pappy, it might be a sucker which will need to come out. The fact that is has 9 leaves could be an indication. If you check the Rose try to see where that 9 leaf branch comes from. Suckers usually start near the base. Check if the rose itself has it leaves in groups of 7.

Ooh, thanks florentina! It comes out of the ground right by the base of the rose. I just looked up "suckers" and I think that might be what it is. I'd never heard of that before!

You need to try and rip it away from the base as close to the stem as you can. This should prevent it re growing.

I think the first one's a climbing hydrangea too. Hard to tell with the second one - it looks a bit like an ash seedling to me?