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The 2015 Allotment / Veg Patch Thread Part 2

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agoodbook · 08/04/2015 22:49

the previous thread is just about full, - well done spotted so welcome to everyone interested in growing their own veg!

Previous thread is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/gardening/2282529-The-2015-Allotment-Veg-Patch-Thread-its-here?msgid=53650520

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ChopperGordino · 16/04/2015 14:32

cupcakes i'm the same - i'm fascinated by the one hellebore i've inherited and as i develop the shady border it's in into a woodlandy patch i hope to get more

shovetheholly · 16/04/2015 14:44

Yeah, I did. It's far from perfect but I'm gradually changing the elements of it that I don't like. Smile

I go to Hodsock Priory every year to see the amazing snowdrops, and they sell incredible hellebores. I get one each year. They come from a man called Hugh Nunn who sells them here: www.twelvenunns.co.uk/nursery/plant/hellebores/helleborus-plants/

I am collecting all of them! So far, I have this white one in the picture, a harvington double pink speckled and the harvington double in the very deep purply red. I find they flop in the first year, but then they come up with much stronger growth the second.

I hate the winter, and they really get me through it.

shovetheholly · 16/04/2015 14:46

Oooh, I've just seen that he sells them as plug plants quite cheaply too (well, £5 instead of the £10 you pay in shops). Dispatched April to June. I mean, it would be rude not to, wouldn't it?

Bankruptcy, here I come! Grin

LetThereBeCupcakes · 16/04/2015 14:49
ChopperGordino · 16/04/2015 14:58

i love the transformation you've made shovetheholly

LetThereBeCupcakes · 16/04/2015 17:45

Funnily enough after all that talk about Hellebores my J Parker catalogue arrived today - they're doing packs of 5 different Hellebores for £15.99 (or 10 different ones for £24.98). I'm SO tempted by the double ones: www.jparkers.co.uk/double-ellen-helleborus

ChopperGordino · 16/04/2015 19:44

I gave into the temptation cupcakes - they had some other bits I wanted needed on offer too (that's my excuse anyway...)

agoodbook · 16/04/2015 21:32

Good evening !
shove - that is an amazing transformation in 3 years , I love the fish in the background., And yes it is an acer. It has flourished since that fence went up 3 years ago - it has been there for about 6-7 years but that bit of protection has worked wonders. The primroses I just totally leave to get on with it. I'm just sad that the evergreen clematis isn't in flower for you to see - its small at the moment, and i am hoping to train it up and along the fence with time and patience, but it is amazing when the flowers emerge :).
and agree with hellebore love - I have 3 and the deep purple one has a flowering baby - Alternative has lots of seedlings this year (from her post upthread)
Hopefully I will have time tomorrow to not only get up to the plot, but also get some more seed sowing done ...but it has not been warm up here - 11º is the highest for the last 2 days, and cloudy with it, and cold nights so germination has been steady to say the least- had to put a lid on my propagator in the greenhouse to help things along

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TheSpottedZebra · 16/04/2015 22:53

All the pics look absolutely beautiful! Yout must be very proud of the lovely spaces and places that you've created.

So to my pics: you may remember that I have yammered on at length about my dreadful clay, how I dug the deep trench for coffins to loosen the soil which I mixed with manure in which to plant my fruit bushes, then the other day I dug over my last bed which was much easier?

Anyway, look at my clay! The first pic is of a small bit from my not so bad bed, that then got BAKED by the hot sun yesterday. Eek. It is as if it had been fired in a kiln, I had to take another look to see if it was really not a stone.

The second pic is a request for advice. Yup, I emboldened that to make it grab your attention. It is my fruit bush bed/trench. Where I have put the soil back, I hadn't raked it to that fine tilth that I have read so much about. And now all the lumps of soil have baked into a layer of clay lummaps, with sofer soil below. The bushes seem to be doing ok, so far - certainly they continue to grow leaves. Does the lumpy clay layer matter? How can I get rid? Can I grow anything on the top to look nicer, break up the lumps etc? Would sweet alyssum work, I read that it doesn't take much from the soil but provides good cover?

TheSpottedZebra · 16/04/2015 22:55

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The 2015 Allotment / Veg Patch Thread Part 2
The 2015 Allotment / Veg Patch Thread Part 2
TheSpottedZebra · 16/04/2015 22:58

Gosh, those hellebores are jolly lovely.
Maybe I need hellebores too? I will read up on them, see where they go, what I'd do with hem and when.

TheSpottedZebra · 16/04/2015 23:02

agoodbook - what seeds will you sow? And what is everyone's status on beans, courgettes, corn, squash seeds?

This far, I've only sown those yard long beans as I read that they need a long season. But hey are not really thriving Tbh - some of the leaves are yellowing quite a bit. I really must sow my corn I think, tho I said that a while ago. I'm really running out of space and will need to harden off some of my seedlings to be grow house ones, to free up space for phase 2 seeds and seedlings. And I need to buy more (plant) pots, which is quite unexpected.

I think I might start to do some beans, corn, courgette tomorrow or the weekend. Then more can go direct as and when.

ChopperGordino · 17/04/2015 06:28

Well the mange tout I sowed weeks ago, where only two germinated - I did that thing where you abandon the rest of the pots in a totally unsuitable place and yes, a couple more have germinated, the little rebels. I have some more chitted so will sow them this weekend.

Courgettes haven't appeared yet but I think they may have got a bit dry so have sorted that out

I am out of space in cold frames though (lots of flowers coming on) but I think I can rig up a makeshift frost proof thingy

IAmcuriousyellow · 17/04/2015 08:10

TheSpottedZebra your fruit bed looks fine to me, I wouldn't worry about the lumps. Rain will improve the look of it I expect, but if your bushes are thriving then they've got their roots down into something good. I'm planning to use alyssum as ground cover as well this year! Also oregano, to delight the bees and quell weeds.

I'll take a photo of my fruit cage this morning, and you can see what rubbish soil my soft fruit is in (and thriving in)

AlternativeTentacles · 17/04/2015 08:31

Sowed some courgettes [to go in the polytunnel] yesterday and some squashes last week. Won't sow the main ones for another fortnight yet. They need to be indoors until mid May and they grow pretty fast. Corn - sown and up and will be in increasingly bigger pots until they go out Mid May. Beans - again not for a fortnight for some and not until mid may in situ for others.

your fruit bed will be fine - as long as the plants are growing well don't worry. With clay if you get it to a fine tilth [which is backgreaking] then the rains come and smooth it down and you end up with a marble workbench on the ground. So just leave it like that - it will take a fair while to break down from clay like that, I should know as that's how mine was. And I can still grow huge parsnips so don't worry about it! Clay is full of minerals. That's the pay off.

shovetheholly · 17/04/2015 08:36

Zebra - my garden has heavy clay, as does my allotment - but nothing compared to the garden at my old house, which was down the road from a clay pit. It stuck together so much that you had to dig it out in breeze block squares and then break it down. shudder

I think if you try to break it up dry, you will end up damaging both yourself and the soil! A bit of rain will loosen the lumps naturally. This is not technical knowledge or anything, so I could be wrong about it, but here is what I do: I mulch with a really good, thick amount of cover (manure/compost/spent mushroom compost) over the surface and that seems to lock the moisture in a bit, and encourages the worms to get in there and do some of the work for you! You need absolutely bags and bags and bags of the stuff, though. I have loads of old Ikea bags - the blue ones - and I take them across town to Poo Mountain (near a riding stables) and dig out loads and loads, shove them in the back of my ancient and knackered Polo, and then spread everywhere. Because it's well-rotted, it doesn't smell. Adding a bit of horticultural grit helps a lot, as does gypsum.

It is a battle you have to fight over and over again though- have a couple of bits of my garden that are really wet and I must have dumped dozens of bags of manure, grit, and compost on them and they are still not there, but improving.

shovetheholly · 17/04/2015 08:38

I should add that the pilgrimages to Poo Mountain do leave my car in the kind of state that makes the in laws raise an eyebrow. Perhaps I should consider a pickup, or a trailer. Grin

agoodbook · 17/04/2015 08:46

Good Morning!
spotted I am sowing in the greenhouse some more small quantities of broccoli - I succession sow different varieties
I sowed my sweetcorn 2 weeks ago , and the ones that have germinated about half ! are growing away nicely .
I'm the same as Alternative no beans/courgette/squash sowing for about another 2 weeks, as they don't want to be out until after the last frosts and they germinate more quickly when its a bit warmer.
And yes- your fruit trees will be fine! - if they are putting on leaf, they are happy. Maybe add a good layer of mulch round them, that never hurts.

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agoodbook · 17/04/2015 08:47

x post with shove ! on mulch

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shovetheholly · 17/04/2015 08:55

high fives goodbook

All of your industrious posts are making me feel very guilty!

I am lazing about in Suffolk this weekend, at a rental cottage with a lovely, cute little garden (I had a big writing deadline in the week). I am staring enviously at how well everything grows here, and at how far ahead every plant is compared to my garden in Sheffield - spring is more sprung here than oop north. I may be able to persuade DH to go to Bressingham on Sunday, which would be fantastic.

And then my GREENHOUSE COMES ON MONDAY! I don't think I have been this excited since Christmas Eve, aged six, when I actually threw up on my Mum's bed. Blush

agoodbook · 17/04/2015 09:04

I will look forward to the post about erecting the greenhouse shove Grin. My very competent DH had to dismantle the top half twice to get all the bits to fit ( mind you, it was second hand, and the previous owner had put it together wrong, and handed us a carrier bag of bits that 'didn't fit anywhere' ) The instructions were in Klingon I believe......:)
And yes still cold - more so for you higher up - some things in the garden doing well, but very odd with some things early and others not

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TheSpottedZebra · 17/04/2015 09:20

Oh really, my clay rocks in the fruit bed are not too bad? Oh, that's a good thing. shovetheholly I totally know what you mean about breeze blocks - I where I was digging up my pernicious weeds, often I'd not be able to get the weed out of the block, so I left it in lumps to dry a bit, as it was very wet when I first started clearing. Then it dried a bit, then it got wet, then it dried a lot. I've been working through my breeze blocks with weeds, but I still have plenty left to prise/pick/chip the weeds out of. Only now the blocks are dried clay Confused Ive quite poss had enough of chipping weeds out of mud, so i might just pile it up somewhere and hope that it transmogrifies into something lovely.

You can grow parsnips in clay? Really? I'd have thought that they need fine soil. That is interesting, I LOVE parsnips and they are my DS's very favourite veg.

shovetheholly my car is a rubbish old thing that is full of junk already so I'd not be bothered about transporting poo mountain. But I have not found a source of manure alas, I have to buy mine in in bags.

TheSpottedZebra · 17/04/2015 09:23

Oh, I was so slow and distracted writing that post that a) I totally omitted to say thanks for all the kind advice. And b), I missed the exciting greenhouse news! What will be the first thing that you do in there, once it's up, shovetheholly ?

TheSpottedZebra · 17/04/2015 09:25

Oh and another question if I may. Can I do anything wih rhubarb leaves, other than compost them? I'm pretty much approaching glut levels of rhubarb, which is excellent as I love the stuff. But I have lots of leaves. Can I use them directly as mulch, and if so, on what and how. They're v acidic aren't they, could I put them on blueberries (at home in pots), or in my fruit clay pit?

PlumpingThePartTimeMother · 17/04/2015 09:34

Opposite question to spottedzebra: what can I do to make my rhubarb grow?! It's in full sun in a big container and I water it minimally every day. There are exactly 3 leaves so far and it's been in there for 6 weeks at least.