Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Gardening

Find tips and tricks to make your garden or allotment flourish on our Gardening forum.

The 2015 Allotment / Veg Patch Thread - it's here!

999 replies

TheSpottedZebra · 14/01/2015 21:43

Yes, it's the thread you've all been waiting for, a place to chit chat about your allotment or fruit and veg patch - however big it may be. Even if it currently only imaginary or no bigger than a pot of growing basil from the supermarket.

Come discuss your plans, your seeds, your learnings from previous years and your goals for this year. All levels of knowledge welcome, from absolute beginner, to enthusiastic 2nd year-er (me!), to anyone else.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
27
agoodbook · 17/03/2015 18:58

silver have you any compost at home to fill up the deep beds? , or can you sink the scaffold boards in a bit so they dont stand so high up?

TheSpottedZebra · 17/03/2015 19:28

silver could you dig out the path and add that to the raised bed?

I've got raised beds at home, I was so shocked by the sheer volume of soil that I needed to fill them! I'm going cheap and lazy at the lot to, and just planting direct. I may regret that. I slightly do already, after another few hours of digging. I was commended by an allotment chap on my digging and my graft tho - 'you're doing really well girl, keep it up!'

I have a very very rough plan of what is going where. But my plot is fairly small, and a tree and rhubarb dictate some of the placement. And don't know what was where last year. I'm putting some autumn rasps next to the rhubarb, then I have another big row of fruit including summer rasps. Then i have a big bed for courgettes/squash/beans and corn, then at the end, space for spuds. I'm not sure if I'll have any room in that one, I've jot really figured out how much spud room I need or want - I'll stick a few in bags at home too. Hopefully leeks will go in after the (early) spuds. Not that the spuds are in yet, nor the bed cleared... Then i have a last bed at the front, on the opposite side to the rhubarb. That will have beets, chard etc and maybe a few brassica. Garlic I might just dot about. And I'll fill in gaps with stuff! Chard, probably.

OP posts:
TheSpottedZebra · 17/03/2015 19:35

Interesting re marigolds and whitefly, echt !
I've never done companion planting before (other than growing bee-friendly things in general), but so far have seeds for marigolds, borage and sweet alyssum. And I think I've found garlic chives growing under the apple tree and I'll plant some normal chives there too. What else can anyone recommend for me Grin?

OP posts:
temperamentalamongcorvids · 18/03/2015 07:31

Hello, may I join?

I've had an allotment in the past and am currently trying to cultivate a new veggie patch in an unloved garden.

Haven't rtft so sorry if this has already come up - my kale and spring greens, planted in October, have not grown at all. Should I give them another month until temperatures rise (am quite far north) or is there something wrong? I'd quite like the bed space so if they're not likely to work, it's compost heap time!

AlternativeTentacles · 18/03/2015 08:03

I have been 'shoving it in where there is space' for years. And I teach horticulture so crack on with that method IMHO. I only rotate potatoes around my allotment and I leave any that grow from old tubers as freebies.

Fruit - I have grapes and spiky stuff [wineberry mainly] that is wired - the rest is left to it's own devices. My rasps - I have 18 in two rows 18 inches apart with a path around them, and because I don't tie them into anything I can grow them closer together and then just walk in amongst them to harvest. I underplanted with strawbs and chives to make the best use of space and to add some companion planting, and also there are marigolds and limanthes scattered around. I have a gooseberry at on end, underplanted with more chives and strawbs, and two blueberries and a chokeberry at the other, also underplanted with chives and strawbs. So in one 20ft x 3ft area, there are 18 rasps, about 50 strawbs, a gooseberry, 2 blueberries and a chokeberry and the only thing I have to do is mulch in autumn and prune in winter. And bung a net over the gooseberry in the week preceding harvest or the pesky birds will have the lot overnight.

Raised beds, they don't have to be raised immediately. Just keep adding organic matter and over the years they will raise up to the level of the wood. I would recommend however a slight angle to them.

If you make the sides of the beds lower on the most southerly side, and higher on the north side, and angle the soil low at south end and high at north end, for every degree of slope you gain an extra [don't quote me on the exact figures] an extra ten minutes of effective sunlight. So I always recommend that people angle their beds to the sun. This warms the soil faster, and helps the soil to catch more rays in the winter.

All my beds are sloped to the sun, you just get a better return on investment.

Companion planting - is one of the keystones of organic gardening. Also - steer clear of growing the same things all together. And interplanting - so by the time the faster things have been eaten, the medium time things are just coming up for harvest and once they are gone, the slower things are then welcome to have the space. EG - brussels take 9 months, so 50cm away put a courgette, and in between pop some rocket and lettuce with a few radishes. The radishes come out first, and then the rocket and lettuce. Then the courgette crops until Sept/Oct, by which time the brussels needs the full space and will sit there all winter. If you put another brussels 50cm the other side of the courgettes - there you have a good foundation for your winter beds. Then once the courgette is out - mulch the ground around the brussels.

Also, if you are using beds, don't waste the space by plonking a courgette or squash right in the middle of a bed - put it near the corner and let it trail on the path not the soil. Maximises your soil space.

AlternativeTentacles · 18/03/2015 08:04

my kale and spring greens, planted in October, have not grown at all. Should I give them another month until temperatures rise (am quite far north) or is there something wrong?

Start picking the leaves, sometimes spurs them into action. They will try to flower once the weather warms up, so I'd leave them in until you actually have something to put in their place. And maybe give them a nitrogen rich feed. Nettles soaked in water for a week/fortnight makes a very cheap and easy nitrogen rich feed.

temperamentalamongcorvids · 18/03/2015 08:21

Thanks, I'll pick some later. Have a spelt risotto planned with the last sorry leeks and sprouts, the baby leaves can join them. No nettles here either yet, we're about a month behind the south.

agoodbook · 18/03/2015 10:18

fascinating alternative about not planting things together ( btw assume you are delicious? :) ) -do you not bother with the common idea of rotating crops to reduce chance of infection? I like the idea immensely, but we do have an enormous problem on our site of pigeons coming and decimating crops over winter, so for us the sensible (cheaper!) option is to put these things together so the can be covered/netted.
temperamental I am in Yorkshire, and my spring greens have just nicely started to grow away( planted in October) - about another 4 weeks I suspect to picking. My kale was planted in spring, along with all the other brassica family -I have been picking throughout the winter- ( green curly kale and cavolo nero ) so was it planted out too late for it to establish ?

temperamentalamongcorvids · 18/03/2015 12:55

agoodbook I think so. I was a bit late with everything, I blame the toddlers.

This thread is ace.

Does anyone have experience of planting tatties deep rather than earthing up? Think it might be a biodynamic method.

AlternativeTentacles · 18/03/2015 16:23

btw assume you are delicious?

Yes I am...Wink

I rotate my spuds as they are my biggest crop. Everything else is intermingled. This means you don't get pest build up in the first place. Pigeons are of course a huge pest so I net my beds loosely until the have established - I also put canes at jaunty angles with nets over them until they are big enough to fend for themselves. But ours don't decimate everything once big enough to be less tasty.

TheSpottedZebra · 18/03/2015 21:48

I assumed the same Grin

Interesting about the non rotation thing. My plot is between a load of scorched earth, straight line sticklers: I can imagine that heir minds would boggle if I did not adhere to crop rotation! Already I have been gently chided for not digging a straight trench for my fruit bed still not in. Mañana -well it was straight but I didn't like it so I cut out a big bobble shape to make it more flowy. I like the sound of interplanting too, and also thanks for tip on squash -as yes I would have placed in bang in the middle of the bed!

No allotmenting today for me alas, but I have a whole day tomorrow, a day of action. I did manage to sow the first burst of my tomato seeds however. I only did a few of each, as once they're out of the prop., they have no particularly warm place to go to. Some chillies, and new chard too.

Right, so planting potatoes with a bulb planter - I am def going to do this! How deep should I go? Anything else I should know, baring in kind I've never done spuds before?

I went to homebase today and nearly bought a wineberry. But then I didn't. But I might still need it. Aldi have a special starting tomorrow with more fruit bushes... No wineberry though. But I need to go to a supermarket anyway...

OP posts:
agoodbook · 18/03/2015 21:52

Ah ! I plant very few potatoes , and until I got the next door plot, I wasn't going to this year.
I am growing sweetcorn for the first time due to an abundance of space, and after reading up, am going to try a 2 sisters approach ( not 3 after reading about trouble harvesting) with my squashes :)
The pigeons here just go for it all winter, and if you haven't wire netted properly the rabbits get the rest.

agoodbook · 18/03/2015 21:57

well spotted last year after planting out my potatoes properly in trenches, I had some left, and a bit of space so I dug holes with my trowel and sort of chucked them in the bottom of the hole - they turned out just as well as the others! About 6-8" deep I guess. This year on advice. I have bought a bulb planter, so we shall see :)

TheSpottedZebra · 18/03/2015 21:58

Ooh me too re the sisters! Beans will be close by too, but not 'in'.
I don't even have any crops out yet and the pigeons are annoying me already. They're horny and very very loud.

OP posts:
agoodbook · 18/03/2015 22:07

too many beans to grow here - they will be up canes - we love 'em!
Mind you - I have always liked my complete bed of squashes - they are so prolific with tendrils when growing, they completely cover all the area so little weeding needed :)
I am the opposite of everyone near me re lots of straight lines of things - I plant north to south as RHS suggest, up and down my plot, and in small blocks - plants are 'spaced' in all directions , not in a line -every one else plants side to side in a row ( east- west ), so mine are like a patchwork quilt of plants unlike anyone else!

TheSpottedZebra · 18/03/2015 22:16

What beans are you doing? I have seeds for : painted lady runner beans, cosse de violette climbing French, a dwarf green french that I have from last year, and borlotti. The violette and borlotti are new in this year. I really really love beans and squash family things. Them, and toms, are my must haves.

OP posts:
TheSpottedZebra · 18/03/2015 22:17

Oh, and yard long beans too Blush I've started them off already as they are so unlikely to crop it seems. Maybe I've mentally discounted them already!

Your patchwork quilt effect sounds beautiful.

OP posts:
agoodbook · 18/03/2015 22:32

I'm not growing loads of different beans , but I freeze a lot ( still have a few packets left in the freezer)
so
Borlotti Lingua de Fuoco - climbing not dwarf
French Bean Purple - Cosse Violette
French Bean White - Cobra
Runner Bean - White Lady
about 12 plants of each I think , and probably more of the Borlotti to dry freeze
Already got the broad beans in - Aquadulce :)
No allotment for me tomorrow - looking after DGS !

TheSpottedZebra · 18/03/2015 22:38

Ooh we have some bean snapsies Grin. I'm so excited about my beans, and yip, I want to dry some borlotti too. So pretty! I'm not doing broadies, but I am poss missing a trick as i love them too.

Enjoy DGS tomorrow. Do they like gardening yet ?

OP posts:
AlternativeTentacles · 18/03/2015 22:53

I dont want to stealth boast but i grow beans and distribute them all over the place, have at least 150 varieties of French in my personal collection. I swap across the atlantic with growers in the USA and have saved a few from disappearing over the years. These days most of my beans are grown for the Heritage Seed Library.

Potatoes with bulb planter - as deep as you can. Put them in chits up. Then the plug from the next hole can go over the potato that you just planted. Water once planted, and leave them be until they show. If they show before mid may, earth them up or mulch to stop the frosts nipping the haulms.

TheSpottedZebra · 18/03/2015 23:05

150 varieties! Cripes Grin How long has that taken you to accumulate? Have you always been a grower?

Thanks for the potato pointers. After weeks of doing nothing, my spuds have suddenly come to life. Ooh, what's your view on planting distance for potatoes? I've only earlies.

OP posts:
AlternativeTentacles · 19/03/2015 07:37

That's after I've grown, shared and ditched a fair few. I had around 180 varieties at one point. Still got a few rare ones that I am bulking up for sharing about.

I've been back to growing 8 years, and teaching it for 5.

I have more varieties than that of tomatoes. meep.

Potatoes - earlies - 30-50cm apart. If growing in rows, 30 cm apart and rows 50cm apart. If in blocks then 40-50cm apart.

After a bit of an experiment last year, where I put some potatoes in during May - and they overtook the March ones and grew much better and stronger, I am delaying mine this year. They are going in during Easter. No need to earth up that way. Win-win. And it means I can grow them in blocks not rows. Or just space them out further and grow other stuff inbetween.

LetThereBeCupcakes · 19/03/2015 14:20

Hello everybody - I'm a little late to the party but may I join you? I was trying to read the full thread before I posted but I'm at page 21 now and I want to get going!

Bit of background - I'm fairly experienced but lapsed slightly! I have a two-year old DS so the last couple of years I've not had much chance to get out in the garden. This year he's really keen to be out with me so hopefully we'll get some veggies going!

I have a vegetable patch in the garden, roughly 17 feet square. A 12 x 10 greenhouse (given to my by my Dad for my 30th. He had previously given it to me for my 21st, when I lived at home, but when I first moved out I couldn't take it, so he regifted it when I turned 30 Hmm). Fruit bed about 6 feet by 4 feet, plus patio which has 3 potted blueberries and potted herbs.

I have raspberries growing up one side of the veg patch which I've never had much luck with. They're coming out this year if they still don't fruit. The fruit bed has 3 gooseberries, 2 blackcurrants, 2 rhubarbs and 1 jostaberry.

I also have a cordon apple and cordon cherry tree. Last year I got 1 cherry. I was chuffed!

Seeds planted so far: tomatoes, aubergines, peppers, plus some flowers. DS grew some runner beans in a jam jar which are now in a massive pot climbing up bamboo canes. He is VERY excited about this.

I have 2 dogs who like to trample things, and a rabbit who likes to eat things. A lot of my planting will actually be for his benefit!

Right, off to read some more of the thread.

minkGrundy · 19/03/2015 18:22

Hey all.

Lovely day today. Got a couple of hours of forking done so 3 beds prepped. Beans wigwams in ready for the beans.
Tatties might go in at weekend becauae it is definitely warming up- the weeds are growing.
Cauli plants are en route.

And no sign of the allotment stalker yay!
Sadly we have a new sex pest. Man masturbating on the other side of the allotment perimeter fence. Wonder what it is about the lot that does it for him Confused

TheSpottedZebra · 19/03/2015 20:21

Welcome Cupcakes Yup, this thread is getting looong, isn't it? And I love it! I also love that you got your greenhouse as a birthday present twice!

Alternative 180 varieties!?! And more tomatoes!? That's amazing, and very very enviable. Thanks again for all your advice by the way: it's fab, and very inspiring.

Mink I had a great day at my plot too. But i was all alone but for cats and bunnies and bids, so no stalker, no wanker. Poor you having to put up with all that.

So, my exciting news is that.... The fruit bushes and canes are planted out! So to celebrate, I went to Aldi and bought... a gooseberry a white currant and lots of biscuits as I have a literal and a figurative gap.I will plenty them out asap, honest! Then I did a bit of digging of dandelion and doc from where the spuds were going to go. Guess what I found,,other than weeds? Potatoes! Yum, but also a pain, as that means I need to put mine somewhere else, and the other corner will need a lot more clearing. I also fug up a shrub to replace with my front garden tayberry, and have enriched the soil a bit as it was horrid. Now just a kiwi and a fig - both tiny - to find homes for.

OP posts: