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What the ...! 'Furious ' is not enough right now

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notjustamummythankyou · 22/04/2014 18:19

Our garden backs onto allotments, and we have a high hedge mixed with brambles at that end. Nice and natural, not causing an obstruction over the path through the allotment on the other side.

The 'gentleman' who we suspect has just taken over the allotment on the other side of our hedge has taken it upon himself to cut back huge swathes of brambles alongside this path. Doesn't affect us but a shame as its a well known blackberry picking spot.

I came home today to find him pulling down our hedge too! I'm so angry, its untrue. He said it was 'a mess' (its not) and 'blocking the path' (it never has).our garden is now half-exposed to the allotments with just a knee high chicken wire fence meant to keep out dogs which will now let yooves in.

Apart from our lovely green room not being the same, its a real security issue. We've had some trouble with break-ins coming over that way in our road. We've always been relatively safe because we had a hedge and not a fence. It feels very exposed now.

I don't know what to do now. I'm not sure what come back I've got, if any. So talk me down: I need fast growing security-conscious shrubs for a 6 foot wide space.

And if you've got any gin, that would be good too.

Angry
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msrisotto · 27/04/2014 10:35

ooh allotment wars. I hate people like him who do what the fuck they like without regard for anyone else. Glad you can kick him in the balls (figuratively!) for it. And marking my place....

notjustamummythankyou · 27/04/2014 11:31

I agree miramar. And when he does get chucked off (which i'm sure will happen), I can imagine him coming back and continuing tend his plot. "Well, I've done all this hard work, why should I go?".

Well, dh is writing our strongly-worded letter complete with relevant legalise.

No one messes with the notjusts.

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notjustamummythankyou · 27/04/2014 11:31

I agree miramar. And when he does get chucked off (which i'm sure will happen), I can imagine him coming back and continuing tend his plot. "Well, I've done all this hard work, why should I go?".

Well, dh is writing our strongly-worded letter complete with relevant legalise.

No one messes with the notjusts.

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Gatekeeper · 28/04/2014 09:54

what kind of hedge was it ? Hawthorn, privet, mixture?

I am enraged on your behalf as I 'lost' a hedge as well. I few years ago I planted a row of mixed hedgerow stuff, blackthorn, beech, hawthorn, wild privet etc and the house next door to us (Owned by a HA) had a new fence erected before they moved in as they had a massive dog. The HA workmen pulled out all my hedge when i was at work and took them away for landfill. Nenied doing it, denied there was ever a hedge there Angry

Notjust Next time he's bending over doing a spot of double digging, put a rat down his trousers

Gatekeeper · 28/04/2014 09:56

...and make sure any slug/snail/weevil you find gets thrown over the fence to land on his plot

BinarySolo · 29/04/2014 10:05

Shameless place marking.

LilRedWG · 29/04/2014 10:43

Me too. :)

Damnautocorrect · 29/04/2014 13:18

Has there been any updates?

Birdiegirl · 29/04/2014 13:46

Just read the full thread, it makes my blood boil, what a complete knob. I really hope he gets a right bollicking for it. Come back Notjustamummy and update us, please.

fedupandknackered · 30/04/2014 23:41

Shock .

Littleturkish · 30/04/2014 23:51

Outrageous.

Is AK still there? Hope his letter was as strongly worded!

notjustamummythankyou · 01/05/2014 11:13

Sorry for going incommunicado: RL has taken over a bit this week!

So where were we? I think the Council was going to write to allotment knob. Well, according to the Council, AK is 'sincerely sorry' for the damage caused, and thought he was 'doing everyone a favour' by cutting it back. Wtaf?!

Anyway. He said he was willing to pay for fencing to improve our security / privacy, and to replace the 6ft wide hedge that has been reduced to stumps. Result!

I think the Council has probably told him that the police has been informed, and that it will become a police matter if it isn't sorted out as a civil one. Probably scared him into action.

So, that was Tuesday's email exchange.

On Wednesday, I got another email from the allotments manager to say that he had been speaking to their landscape contractor who will do the work (and reimbursed by AK). He thinks that cemented-in concrete fence post will do more damage to the hedge and its roots, and will impact on the chance of it growing back. After a bit of too-ing and fro-ing, we have settled on a green wire mesh fence approx 6ft high between wooden posts to be installed immediately in front of the hedhe. The remaining hedge will be trained along it to help fill the thinned out section (again, approx 6ft wide). Our neighbour a few doors along has a similar set up for security, and the hedge is now nicely growing through it.

We have asked for Berberis and / or pyracantha to be planted in the thinnest area to further improve security and privacy while the hedge grows back. We have a nursery near us that sells mature shrubs and trees so I'm going to explore that option.

mistlethrush was right about the hedge growing back: it is largely privet and so the stumps will regenerate in time. Will take an age though. Thankfully, we have a fence panel immediately in front of it on our side, and I'll see if we can get a trellis put on top of it to increase the height.

We thought about demanding replanting in that area, but if the stumps will grow back in time then perhaps we should just leave it? As has been mentioned upthread, the brambles are likely to regrow quickly anyway. It does look a mess though, and he still hasn't cleared away the branches he felled (note to self: chase that up!).

I still don't get why he though he could do all this in the first place! Apparently he thought that because the hedge was in a public open space he could do as he liked. Erm, nope!

No solution is going to be perfect as nothing will grow overnight, but I think we've got an acceptable solution in a relatively short time. People can be so quick to criticise councils, but our experience has been pretty good.

While the council finds the solution acceptable, we hedge till waiting for AK to agree. I have made it clear that we won't ask the police to mark the issue as resolved until we are satisfied. Hopefully that will prompt rapid agreement from AK.

I've seen him several times this week through the thinned hedge It would have been obvious we were there (shouting preschoolers!) But he resolutely kept his back to us. And so he should.

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LilRedWG · 01/05/2014 13:50

Fingers crossed for you!

mistlethrush · 01/05/2014 14:38

Notjusta - I would think that well-established privet roots and stump had the potential to grow a much better, thicker hedge that would look appropriate with the remainder of the hedge, more quickly than planting 3 or 4 foot plants. I would recommend regular pinching out of the tops of the shoots to promote bushing and lots of stalks - it will make it marginally slower but will result in a much thicker hedge that is greener for more of its height (rather than being lots of bare stalks with a green mop on the top). If you can put the pyracantha etc so that this supplements the hedge but is not too close to the existing roots, I think you'll be OK in about 3 years...

I would dump all the branches on his allotment if you can be bothered to move them.

BinarySolo · 02/05/2014 09:15

I really think he should have lost his allotment. Even if it was just to go back on the waiting list for the next on available so he's not near you.

His explaination is laughable. Absolute knobber.

ChasedByBees · 03/05/2014 02:03

Do you mean he hasn't lost his allotment over this?! Shock

notjustamummythankyou · 03/05/2014 06:42

No, he's not being thrown off and they're not moving him - apparently because his actions 'bore no malice'. Grrr.

The council, however, is writing a formal letter of warning to him. Not enough action on that score, I feel.

mistlethrush - thank you very much for your advice! Really useful Smile

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BinarySolo · 03/05/2014 11:16

I suppose, to be fair to the council, it would be hard to prove he acted out of malice rather than stupidity

notjustamummythankyou · 03/05/2014 13:36

That's exactly it, binary. They can't prove that either way. I do honestly believe he wasn't being malicious (no cause to be so). A neighbour of mine knows him and he is a bit obsessive about his allotment - the master of all that he sees, apparently.

Still don't get it though!

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miramar · 03/05/2014 18:03

I don't understand that either - you can break the rules with no real consequence as long as you didn't break them maliciously?

funnyperson · 03/05/2014 18:57

Good result.
Wriggerly wrigglers do edible hedging.

samsam123 · 04/05/2014 22:04

tell him there were nesting birds in the hedge - its illegal to destroy their nests and take him to court for destroying your property - I would also be furious and have to be restrained from punching the prat

WickedWitchoftheNorthWest · 05/05/2014 07:05

How unfortunate he isn't being kicked off. Can you ask for him to be at least moved to a different plot as you might not feel comfortable having this strange man so close to your DC especially given the security issue he has caused?

notjustamummythankyou · 09/05/2014 17:50

Update on Hedgegate:

Soooo 8 days later and I thought we'd be putting this whole sorry story to bed. 'Fraid not.

I emailed the council allotments manager to see where we were, and he said that AK had missed the 7 day deadline to respond. On being chased, AK responded with a 'he said /she said document the length of War & Peace' (my contact's words). It appears that the council has reminded him that this is currently a civil matter, but that this could still change to a police matter.

He has been given another 7 days to respond, and its frustrating that he's now dragging his feet.

In the meantime, today I looked through the gap in our hedge at his allotment. He's only effing using our hedge branches that he cut down to protect his seedlings! He's got them laid across the soil in perfect rows. I know we couldn't have used the branches for anything but ... Cheeky fucker!! (See, I'm swearing now).

So, technically, its now criminal damage, theft AND the use of stolen property for own means. Wanker.

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notjustamummythankyou · 09/05/2014 17:51

Update on Hedgegate:

Soooo 8 days later and I thought we'd be putting this whole sorry story to bed. 'Fraid not.

I emailed the council allotments manager to see where we were, and he said that AK had missed the 7 day deadline to respond. On being chased, AK responded with a 'he said /she said document the length of War & Peace' (my contact's words). It appears that the council has reminded him that this is currently a civil matter, but that this could still change to a police matter.

He has been given another 7 days to respond, and its frustrating that he's now dragging his feet.

In the meantime, today I looked through the gap in our hedge at his allotment. He's only effing using our hedge branches that he cut down to protect his seedlings! He's got them laid across the soil in perfect rows. I know we couldn't have used the branches for anything but ... Cheeky fucker!! (See, I'm swearing now).

So, technically, its now criminal damage, theft AND the use of stolen property for own means. Wanker.

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