Shade providing trees......which ones?

[KatyMac]

I need some lots of shade providing trees

My dad has come up with Birch, hawthorne & crabapple (we are negotiating on Rowan because of the berries)

Is willow too big? I guess I want smaller trees

Willows do get quite big, so you may want smaller trees- depends on the size of your garden How big is the space you are thinking of?

The space is quite big but full sun - so I'm thinking dappled shade

Some willow structures maybe with cob/willow seats but I think birch would be my biggest the rest being large fruit tree sized - maybe a very small copse (is that the right word with half a dozen/8 clumped together?

Maybe a hedgerow with some trees might be a better way to go

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I'm not getting very far with my trees am I?

My garden isn't big enough for trees Birch trees stay pretty small I think but the buggers seed around everywhere, I am always pulling them up.

What about a fruit tree? You can get dwarf varieties.

Mine neither

This is for a more public space that needs shade

They keep putting up sails that get ripped - so I thought natural might be the way to go; then my dad suggested angling the sails so the wind spills, so that might work.