Rose to grow up a tree, climber or rambler?

[sybilvimes]

Just that really. I am planning to try to climb a rose up a tree in the garden (inspired by the 'I love my garden thread), but should I get a climber or a rambler?

many thanks!

Rambler I think. Climbers have to be tied in, whereas while you should really train a rambler in you can also get away with leaving it to 'ramble' a bit more. What is the tree though? You don't want something too vigorous that will block light from the tree.

you have to be careful with some ramblers as they are very vigourous and will swamp the tree. do a bit of research first. the garden centre should be able to give you good advice and as HB said , what type of tree are you going to let it grow through?

My favourite rambler is Buff Beauty - lovely apricot/pink/buff coloured flowers with a lovely scent and usually a second flush. I haven't grown it into a tree but had it over an arch combined with an evergreen clematis (Wisley Cream). It is lovely.

www.classicroses.co.uk/products/roses/buff-beauty/

A gorgeous climbing rose is Climbing Etoile De Hollande - deep red flowers unbelievable scent, Good disease resistant foliage - will grom quite big - how big is your tree?
www.crocus.co.uk/plants/_/roses/climber-rose/climbers/climbing-roses/rosa-climbing-etoile-de-hollande/itemno.PL00005763/

Oh, hijack- just decided to do this too- I have a giant 30ft elder right next to our house- and I'd love a rambler that hung down in festoons all over it (I know this wont happen for some years, but still!) in white or yellow.

Just been looking at David Austin website which has some lovely roses. OP have you chosen yet?

I have a Paul's Himalayan Musk in one tree, a Rambling Rector and a Kifsgate. All fab for climing up large trees

Hi Humph, I agree! Good choices there- but alas already have a rambling rector on the other side of my garden- its truly vigorous and I'd definatly go for that if I didnt already have one!

I'm going to plant kiftsgate further down the garden. PHM is pink so thats no good for me- although its a gorgeous rose (scent to die for)! I think I want a larger flowering/ double/ scented rose as its so near the house. Looking at Alreic Barbier/ Alister Stella Grey that kind of thing. Not sure they are big enough though!

Its a new garden for me- really loving choosing my roses for this autumn- have put in lots of single ones out the front so far! [rose obsessive emoticon]

apologies for the spelling btw, I was having an altercation with my dd at the time.

Just went to the garden centre and found rosa glauca for six quid. Such a bargain I bought three.

What other roses do you have glitterkitty? I am rather fond of them too.

Rosa glauca is small pink flowers and lovely foliage isnt it? Lovely in a group of 3! I struggle to do that- though I know big clumps look much better than individual roses. Must be disciplined this autumn . I get all mine bare root- planting them in November in the mud is always awful.

At moment just the front is planted up- all single & shades of red/white/pink. Have chosen ones that repeat or have lots of hips (Tuscany superb, penelope, scabrosa, james mason, rosa rugosa alba, fru dagmar hastrup, and dusky maiden). Star looker is James Mason. TS is much more purple than I expected but lovely scent. Penelope is very pretty pink/cream and also highly scented.

This autumn I'll be planting an apricot/soft yellow/cream/white bed in back garden, with ramblers & english roses. And climbers into the trees. Oh I'm a rose bore!

Tell me what you have? I particularly like strong scented roses- would love a red/white/pink double english rose bed too. Maybe next year!

It all sounds lovely. Saw a rosa rugosa alba in the shop today for six pounds too, perhaps I will go back. I have always wanted a Tuscany superb as well.

I have a MIL who loves her roses and she has helped me become a little more knowledgable. We have a walk with New Dawn, William Lobb, Blush Rambler, Mme Alfred Carriere, blush noisette, Debutante and one called Belle V>>>>> (can't remember), Rosa Bleu Magenta and Constance Spry. Rambling Rector is the backdrop rose, but tbh the Blush Rambler is out performing it in a major way. I don't mind although it has slightly buggered up altered my colour scheme.

We have just put in a couple of Rosamundi too, as well as four Paul scarletts we bought in Aldi.

We also have Francis Lester and pink perpetua. They are all of rather recent planting so I think it will look fabulous in about five years.

I didn't realise this thread was still ongoing! Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply. My mum bought me a climber (yellow, must look at the name) so I used that although from the replies maybe I should have put that somewhere else and got a different ramble. Do roses mind being moved?

The tree is not that big, some sort of cherry it has reddish leaves and pink blossom (not selling myself as a gardener here am I!) Do the rambling roses need a lot of natural light? I have a tree that creates a natural arch over of the paths but the branches are very bare at the bottom, would it possible to get anything - other than ivy - to grow under there do you think?

Thanks!

raambling rector. highly scented, fast growing.

Oooh some lovely roses there Humph. New Dawn & Alfred Carriere are 2 I am considering (in other areas).

I envy you Rosamundi & William Lobb. Starting another file on comp with pictures of roses I WILL HAVE ONE DAY

Deep secret was the very best velvety red rose I ever had, the smell was fantastic. Always fancied a red/white area somewhere- imagine the contrast.

Do you know David Austin roses? Some amazing ones there. I am ordering this semi double:
www.davidaustinroses.com/english/showrose.asp?showr=3946

Also love this- cream: www.davidaustinroses.com/english/showrose.asp?showr=5966

Pink- will stop now- too many! www.davidaustinroses.com/english/showrose.asp?showr=3704

lovely roses glitterkitty

positively edible

we went to an open garden on Sunday that was CRAMMED with roses just about to come out. I so want to go back and see them all in action.

You lucky thing. When I was on the bus today I was craning to look at peoples gardens- all the roses are out here (London) and DP has no interest, I feel I really need to go and look at some 'live' though!

glitterkitty - I have a damson tree that has white flowers on in spring and a rambler grows up with red roses. The photo on my profile shows them flowering together.

When planning what kind of rose it is certainly worth thinking a lot about what blossom or coloured leaves the tree might have and on other plants around.

Morebeta- That is spectacular- what a gorgeous red rose. What is it?

Our tree is an elder- its huge and dark green leafed. The creamy flowers are lovely in early spring, they hang right by our back terrace where we sit out.

I'm hoping to get a late flowering rose, as I'd like it to bloom after the elderflowers are fading. Our garden is steeply sloping and I'd like it to sort of hang in long white festoons IYKWIM?

It is a very old rose. Perhaps decades old. It has quite small red flowers that are roughly the same size as the bunches of damson blossoms. I have no idea what it is called unfortunately as I inherited it with the house we rent and the old lady who planted it died a few years ago.

Your idea of white does sound very nice against the dark green. Perhaps a sort of yellow cream might also work very nicely too.