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Academically successful son doesn't want university

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2024 18:57

Wondering whether anyone can share their experiences and thoughts to help me navigate this situation.

My son has just got straight As in his Highers, and is insisting that he doesn't want to continue at school where he is down to continue with three Advanced Highers, plus some additional enrichment subjects. He first claimed that now he has got what he would need for university entry (engineering) he doesn't need to go back (might be true for some universities which give contextual admissions to rural schools; I'm not convinced he would have his choice of all relevant courses without the Advanced Highers).

He's been talking for a while about pursuing a graduate apprenticeship route rather than a degree programme, and in principle I'd be supportive; I'm not sure he's really familiar enough with how it would work (I'm certainly not) and what he would have to demonstrate to get taken on by an interesting company and programme.

He has moved on now to say he doesn't want to do a degree at all, and (this week at least) is talking about running away to sea - or less dramatically, nautical college for maritime studies, possibly either as an officer cadet or as an engineer cadet. If I read the info I've found online correctly, if he took the engineering cadet route he could only get as far as an HND in the nautical colleges in Scotland, and if he wanted a full B.Eng he would need to do marine engineering as a university course.

Has anyone any experience of any of this? I confess, I'm not sure how far this is stemming mostly from his wish not to do what is expected of him (full disclosure, both his dad and I are academics so he must feel pressure from us as well as from school), but also I don't want to push back too hard against what might be perfectly sensible proposals if I had a better understanding of what he'd be getting into. What I've said to him is to do his best not to close off options for the future - but I'd like to be able to be more positively helpful than that if I can.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/08/2024 18:59

Well you’re not going to be able to push him into anything that’s for sure. Particularly if he’s talking about running away. You need to let the whole thing calm down and then talk about gap years and jobs.

OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2024 19:09

Gap year was always on the cards! And he's got (casual) job offers coming out of his ears at the moment so I've no worries on that score. Running away to sea was a (weak) joke.

I'm not pushing uni, even though he assumes I favour it - ironically, being inside that system makes me all too aware of its shortcomings. I'd just like to be able to get my head around how other options work better than I can now - it's so far outside my own experience that I would really value some advice from anyone who knows how some of these pathways work.

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elkiedee · 12/08/2024 21:18

Has he researched applications for graduate apprenticeships, nautical college etc? Would staying on at school (or going to an alternative place for post Highers study) help his applications for such options, or could employment be as good/better? If he has opportunities to earn money or gain experience before going on to higher level training/education/apprenticeship etc that might be no bad thing. I was a student a long time ago, but my course was quite popular with mature students - and I had a couple of mature student friends on my course and another two or three on slightly different courses (Russell Group university). My stepdad taught a lot of students returning to education, as he had himself, and I think it's quite sad that the changes in higher education now make it harder to return than it was in the late 1980s, that a lot of people would get more out of going back in their 20s (or later) than going straight from school at 17-19.

user1494050295 · 12/08/2024 21:26

mt Brother didn’t go to uni but did do the maritime route (he did Scottish higher) and then went to Newcastle maritime college. He has done really well and had some great jobs. Now a gm for a maritime company in Australia. He did ponder about doing an mba but in the end realised he did t need it. Good luck

user1494050295 · 12/08/2024 21:28

And he got his apprentice through trinity house

Oblomov24 · 12/08/2024 21:30

Apprenticeships are like gold dust, does he realise this?

Highlandcathedral · 12/08/2024 21:42

I have several family members who went down the merchant navy/maritime college route. Older generation went to Glasgow and got HND, younger went to English nautical colleges and got a degree I think. Some engineering, some deck. All have done really well, great careers and quite varied, some deep sea, some North Sea, some now on offshore wind farms. They all earn great salaries and good time off which of course is countered by time away when working.

OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2024 21:54

user1494050295 · 12/08/2024 21:28

And he got his apprentice through trinity house

That is really useful - thank you

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2024 21:55

Oblomov24 · 12/08/2024 21:30

Apprenticeships are like gold dust, does he realise this?

I'm not sure he really does, no! And I'm not sure how best to go looking for the relevant opportunities either - the various partner university web pages don't seem to be terribly clear about it. That's exactly the kind of thing I'd like to find out more about.

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OhBuggerandArse · 12/08/2024 21:56

Highlandcathedral · 12/08/2024 21:42

I have several family members who went down the merchant navy/maritime college route. Older generation went to Glasgow and got HND, younger went to English nautical colleges and got a degree I think. Some engineering, some deck. All have done really well, great careers and quite varied, some deep sea, some North Sea, some now on offshore wind farms. They all earn great salaries and good time off which of course is countered by time away when working.

Thank you - do you know which nautical colleges by any chance, and do you know whether they had a company sponsoring them?

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Highlandcathedral · 13/08/2024 22:38

Sorry missed this@OhBuggerandArse . Older family member (brother) went to Glasgow as did one of his sons. Another went to Fleetwood in Lancashire. They all really enjoyed it. Brother had a long career first at sea, then management, still in related industry as a consultant earning really well. Younger ones are still in active engineering/deck jobs.

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