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You'll find discussions about A Levels and universities on our Further Education forum.

Further maths and physics (A levels)

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Eleyne · 06/12/2022 07:22

DS has maths, further mathematics, and physics as his subjects for A levels.
We are hoping to get a lot of revision done over the Christmas break to catch up on everything they have learnt at school until now.
Are there any online resources where we can find practice questions?
It's something we want to start doing on a daily basis, but need to get into that pattern during the holidays.
It was be really helpful if there was something similar for physics as well. But I suppose that is simpler, as he can revise from his text books and notes.

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Ciri · 06/12/2022 07:23

Are you doing A Levels too?

pompomdaisy · 06/12/2022 07:23

Have a search on Amazon. Type in his exam board then A level revision books and they will be there.

solidaritea · 06/12/2022 07:30

You can find past papers online. This might not be the best way though this early in the year. Does he have a textbook at all? If not, could he find out the exam board and buy a corresponding textbook?

Please notice I've used "he" and not "you." Hopefully it was just a way of speaking to use "we." He needs to learn to work with independence at this age.

Choconut · 06/12/2022 07:40

Lol to 16 year olds being independent when it comes to homework or even study periods. Apart from the seriously driven ones I know very few, mine thinks work should stay at school (not including 'free' periods which are free time of course) and home should just be for doing what he wants, and he's certainly not alone! Kids still need far more support at this age then their parents realise IMO, they need to learn how to manage their time - and that often requires support.

We have the CGP books which we found good at GCSE - although the further maths one was too easy and so not very helpful, but ds isn't doing further maths A-level so I don't know about the A-level one. Has their school not recommended anything? For computer science two books were recommended (at £35 each!) but ds was able to get them on long loan from the library. So might be worth ds talking to teachers and checking out the library.

Eleyne · 06/12/2022 07:43

Thank you! Past papers can get a little demotivating as some of the questions are hard at this point.
Maths is all about practice. I was hoping to find something/a resource which sets a daily challenge which does not feel like "studies".
I'll take a look on Amazon 👍

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Eleyne · 06/12/2022 09:46

@Choconut - thank you! I'm going to look into those options. I agree with you about supporting our children!
We all need support. I don't know why we think teenagers should be independent or if they take support from parents it's considered as less independent.

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Ciri · 06/12/2022 10:00

It's just that if he's about to sit his A levels then he really should be doing stuff by himself now and your post reads as though you're going to sit with him and do the work together. How is he going to manage at University?

You need to be giving him the skills to learn independently, not spoon feeding him. Theres a difference between encouraging him to keep him on track and actually sitting doing the work with him.

Eleyne · 06/12/2022 10:03

Ciri · 06/12/2022 10:00

It's just that if he's about to sit his A levels then he really should be doing stuff by himself now and your post reads as though you're going to sit with him and do the work together. How is he going to manage at University?

You need to be giving him the skills to learn independently, not spoon feeding him. Theres a difference between encouraging him to keep him on track and actually sitting doing the work with him.

Thank you!

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Lonelylonelylonely · 06/12/2022 10:07

www.physicsandmathstutor.com/

Has loads of question compilations arranged by topic and exam board for physics, maths and the other sciences. Probably one of the best resources out there and it's free.

larkstar · 06/12/2022 10:53

Why is he effectively only doing 2 A-levels? I have had many of my students report that universities are treating double maths as a single A-level subject.

Candleabra · 06/12/2022 11:50

larkstar · 06/12/2022 10:53

Why is he effectively only doing 2 A-levels? I have had many of my students report that universities are treating double maths as a single A-level subject.

He’s doing 3
maths and FM are considered separate a levels

larkstar · 06/12/2022 11:52

In 12 years of teaching maths, further maths, physics and chemistry privately at A-level that is not my experience - it may depend on the course and institution.

Carbon12 · 06/12/2022 12:00

Agree with @larkstar.

Unless a course specifies further maths (Maths, engineering) most courses see maths and further maths as the same skill.

I would also recommend physics and maths tutor for resources.

Khan Academy is fantastic for explanations but you have to be careful with specifications since they're based on American schooling.

Ciri · 06/12/2022 12:08

Physics maths and FM are three legitimate A Levels now

larkstar · 06/12/2022 13:10

@Ciri - I'm not sure what point you are trying to make - they have always been 3 separate subjects - I have no idea what an illegitimate A-level is. The issue I mention concerns the subject requirements which vary from university to university and from course to course and they change over time - I have had students who wanted to apply to Cambridge to do Natural Sciences who changed from maths, further maths, and physics to do maths, physics and chemistry (and one who changed his mind altogether) - you can look at some advice on the requirements for different courses at Cambridge (for instance) here:

www.trin.cam.ac.uk/undergraduate/applying/a-level-subject-combinations/

The section on Natural Sciences - says "For candidates with a main interest in Physics or Chemistry, we strongly recommend A level Further Maths and two other sciences (including your main subject interest) as well as Maths."

All I am suggesting is that it is well worth looking at university courses to see what the course requirements are - nothing is set in stone and admissions are sometimes flexible depending on the student - I had one student get into Warwick with maths/further maths and English... to do English after he decided at the maths open day that he didn't want to spend the next 4 years at uni with people like the ones he met at the interview - he was an exceptional talent in many other ways regarding music, composition, songwriting and performing. Warwick in this instance regarded his maths and further maths as a single A-level.

@Eleyne I assume your son in his first year: yes?

I would advise that if possible he tries to get through the course at the rate he can manage and not go at the speed he is being taught - it is probably slower than he can manage. I stopped teaching last year - well - really after I could no longer see students face to face from about May 2020 - I had intended to start again but decided to give up... education is such a mess! I saw students from 3 counties as finding further maths tutors is very difficult and ones that teach the other sciences rarer still. Seeing students from so many different schools over the years I saw that some of the better performing schools were easily 6 weeks ahead of many others - leaving themselves the advantage of a further 6 weeks of revision time. I would argue that the best students can complete 2 years of A-level maths in 1 year - certainlyt before the 2nd year starts.

What does he want to do at university? And after? Which areas of maths is he interested in? You ought to be looking at the content of courses now - not all university degrees are the same. Theoretical Physics courses are a very interesting option IMHO. I would say most of the students I taught that went on to study maths at places like Bristol (did not perform well enough in the STEP tests at Cambridge), Leeds, York, etc became somewhat disillusioned with the courses.

noblegiraffe · 06/12/2022 13:16

Is he Y12 or Y13?

www.physicsandmathstutor.com is good for questions by topic.

alevelmathsrevision.com is great for maths and further maths, with videos and questions to work through.

Candleabra · 06/12/2022 13:44

@larkstar
Do you know why the students you taught became disillusioned with maths courses at Bristol, York, Leeds etc?
(interested as my daughter is applying to these unis)

Eleyne · 06/12/2022 13:58

Thank you for recommending www.physicsandmathstutor.com/maths-revision/a-level-aqa/ - This is exactly what I was hoping for!

@larkstar - He is doing computer science as well - but he does very well in that subject. I should have mentioned earlier. I am not sure if Maths and Further Maths are considered as one subject. I am aware that if he drops one subject, it has to be further maths. I believe he would like to do some form of Engineering - he hasn't made up his mind yet.

@noblegiraffe he is in year 12.

@larkstar - Thank you for your long and fantastic reply. I would like to know as well why some of the students became disillusioned with Maths courses. He is considering Maths for uni (but like I said he hasn't made up his mind yet)

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JemimaTiggywinkles · 06/12/2022 14:58

There is also https://isaacphysics.org/

From the home page, you click on "A level and equivalent" there are three books of questions (essential physics, linking concepts, and maths for sciences). Under "practice maths" there also seems to be quite a lot of stuff that would be relevant to maths / FM A level. There are also lots of harder questions available but it can be tricky to navigate.

poetryandwine · 06/12/2022 17:49

Former Russell Group STEM admissions tutor here. My work is maths intensive.

In response to the queries about why some students st Bristol, Leeds, York, etc known to @larkstar become disillusioned with the maths programmes at those institutions: @larkstar mentioned that these were Cambridge candidates who did not meet their STEP condition. To be sure, STEP is a very high bar and C is a very special place. Nevertheless the institutions mentioned (certainly. Bristol and Leeds) have a good amount of internationally excellent maths and. a number of satisfied UG students.

Surely it is possible that coming so close to Cambridge admission and falling at the final post makes some a bit jaded? Maybe they define everything else as second rate? In maths intensive disciplines we also see a number of our relatively weaker students disillusioned when they realise that higher maths is qualitatively different from school maths, but I would not expect this from Cambridge offer holders

Purplemagnolias · 06/12/2022 18:16

maths and FM are considered separate a levels

Technically they are separate but many schools teach them as one subject. Math in year 12 and FM in year 13. If a student enjoys Maths then doing double Maths is not much more difficult at all.

My dc is at Imperial and the vast majority of students have done at least 4 A levels (including FM)

Winter41 · 06/12/2022 18:39

I teach physics. I second the physics and maths tutor website if he is early on in the course particularly as you can get questions and mark schemes by topic and some are reasonably straightforward. Past papers good for later on in the course because Q's tend to require knowledge from a variety of topics.

Eleyne · 06/12/2022 20:06

Thank you everyone @pompomdaisy @solidaritea @Lonelylonelylonely @larkstar @Candleabra @Carbon12 @noblegiraffe @JemimaTiggywinkles @poetryandwine @Purplemagnolias @Winter41

There is so much information here to get us started and continue all the way until we get to the end of this year.

I truly appreciate your support and the time you have taken to reply to my questions. Thank you for also adding information about what we should consider for preparing and applying to various unis. He loves all his A-level subjects but that is not enough anymore. The students need to be on top of things and keep up with the revision.
The pressure post GCSE has definitely gone up - I am sure they will do the best they can.

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larkstar · 07/12/2022 00:08

@Candleabra I'd have to get an update on some of those students - they have all graduated now and I am in touch with the 4 that came to mind - it's a complicated picture - these students are unique and exceptional people in many different ways and it's impossible to generalise. The student who applied to Cambridge but ended up going to Bristol, from what I remember of my conversations with him (I'm more in touch with his ex-gf who I've just asked for an update) he was unhappy first with the accommodation situation and I don't think he was ever very settled at Bristol - I faintly remember he was unhappy with either a lecturer or the way one subject was being taught - I don't know how much of a product that was of his problems with accommodation, commuting etc - that's all I can remember I'm really not sure what he's doing now that's why I've asked for an update - he was a climber and the last I heard he was off climbing in the Karakorums - I think they needed a special permit for that at the time. @poetryandwine - he was disappointed but he was realistic from the outset and Bristol was always his 2nd choice - he said it was the place Cambridge rejects often head for.

In a way all of them were very gentle people who seemed to me to be the type who would struggle to fit in to the hard edged world of work. All excelled in maths at A-level and enjoyed it but all as far as I can remember were talented in other ways.

Two others went to Leeds - great city and university (my daughters both did medicine there) - one did a masters - I'm in contact with him and his ex-gf too - I know he never really knew what he wanted to do with his maths degree - even at the end of his masters he had not found, as he had hoped, any particular areas that he was deeply interested in - he was/is a multi-talented musician, arranger, conductor - I'm not sure what he's doing either but will ask his ex-gf. I know he thought that following his interest in music would probably lead to a very insecure way to earn a living so he went with what he was best at - I'm sure he was right.

The other is one is a really quiet and gentle guy - another exceptional musician - jazz/blues - again struggling to find his place in life - he did not graduate with the degree that was expected - he is headed into accountancy but knowing him as I do (I've known him over 15 years) I really can't fathom that at all - I know and still see his parents - so - it's a complicated picture for very individual and personal reasons for all of these people.

I remember one student telling me that in 4 years at university a lot of things happen in people's lives - in their families lives too - it's not just 4 years of study - it's real life - parents get divorced, parents businesses collapse, parents come out, parents and students fall ill and die - all sorts - and people change a lot in 4 years and some discover new interests, new passions and want to go in new directions. I tend to think it helps if you have a real, deep interest in some area of your subject - I think few do, few are lucky enough to realise or discover that.

I'm sad to say that less than half the students I have taught that went to university really seem to have enjoyed the experience - that's my impression - I taught a lot of students from 2 of the very best local schools (and many others) and many knew each other - so I have quite a few connections in to many of my old students. It's a disappointing fact that I went into tuition for many reasons - I had hoped I would help many students from a range of backgrounds - the truth is I saw almost exclusively students who already went to the best schools who were very well supported by their parents - it was a great experience for me to work with such high performing students and supportive families...but not really what I thought I was setting out to do. I've wandered off the point enough. I'm trying to leave all this behind!

@Eleyne I wrote software for 20+ years. Has your son started any programming? Many start with Python.

Eleyne · 07/12/2022 07:29

@lalarkstar - he started with python but he is learning c# at school now.
Tuitions can be expensive which is probably why parents who can afford it are the only ones to consider it.
You sound so invested in your students, I hope you find ways to help students, the way you want and hope to.
It isn't an easy profession, especially with secondary students. Kudos to you!

What are you thoughts about degree apprenticeship?

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