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Is it true that clever people go to 6th form and people who aren't go to college

469 replies

thistimeiknowitsforreal · 21/06/2022 21:08

Evening all,

It was always drummed into me that after GCSE`s that if you are intelligent you went to or stayed at school and went to 6th form depending on your previous circumstances.

But if you weren't good enough you went to college instead.

Whats your experience in this area ?

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imnotwhoyouthinkiam · 29/10/2022 14:14

I stayed on at 6th form and selected 4 A-levels (Most people only did 3, but the school agreed that some of us could do 4)
Then they cancelled one as they couldn't justify running it for only 3 students, they did however arrange for us to study that same A-level at the local college. So I was at 6th form and college.

Sadly my MH deteriorated and I dropped out.

Then I went to college and did a BTEC instead.

I went back to college as an adult and did an access course.

College offered academic and practical subjects.

But I don't understand the logic that people should have to study both. Although they should be allowed to if they want to.

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:17

Myself & DH: A levels & university (right for us)
DD1: BTEC Diploma & attempted A level (right for her)
DD2: City&Guilds (right for her) & GCSE resits (compulsory, but I'm not convinced they are right for her right now, but we are where we are).

At 16 students should be able to pick what they want to do (provided they have a hope of succeeding I suppose) forcing anything won't help anyone much.

thistimeiknowitsforreal · 29/10/2022 14:20

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:17

Myself & DH: A levels & university (right for us)
DD1: BTEC Diploma & attempted A level (right for her)
DD2: City&Guilds (right for her) & GCSE resits (compulsory, but I'm not convinced they are right for her right now, but we are where we are).

At 16 students should be able to pick what they want to do (provided they have a hope of succeeding I suppose) forcing anything won't help anyone much.

Why was City & Guilds right for DD2 and not DD1 or yourself and DH ?

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TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:24

Because we are all different people with different interests and aptitudes (isn't that kind of obvious?)

I'd hate DD2's course (animal care) because I'm just not too bothered about animals. She wouldn't have coped with my A levels (2 Maths & Physics)

thistimeiknowitsforreal · 29/10/2022 14:28

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:24

Because we are all different people with different interests and aptitudes (isn't that kind of obvious?)

I'd hate DD2's course (animal care) because I'm just not too bothered about animals. She wouldn't have coped with my A levels (2 Maths & Physics)

Animal care sounds quite complex and i imagine you get things wrong the results could be pretty catastrophic.

I imagine some one doing that could handle x2 A levels and vice versa.

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TheMoops · 29/10/2022 14:32

Because we are all different people with different interests and aptitudes (isn't that kind of obvious?)

This the key bit of information the OP ignores.

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:32

Op is deliberately trolling.

my brothers c & g and gas qualifications could indeed be catastrophic if he got them wrong. But he would not have coped with my A levels in English Lit, Theatre, History & Music the same as I would be a dreadful gas engineer.

because we are different , have different aptitudes and interests and different ways of learning.

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:34

Which just shows how little you know Hmm

My DD is struggling to pass GCSE maths. To even attempt A level most places require you to have a grade 7 in maths. To do further maths you are generally asked to have an 8 at GCSE. I went on to do a maths degree.

DD is doing animal care, not vet med or even vet nursing. She's learning how to do basic health checks, clean accommodation and basic handling.

thistimeiknowitsforreal · 29/10/2022 14:38

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:32

Op is deliberately trolling.

my brothers c & g and gas qualifications could indeed be catastrophic if he got them wrong. But he would not have coped with my A levels in English Lit, Theatre, History & Music the same as I would be a dreadful gas engineer.

because we are different , have different aptitudes and interests and different ways of learning.

Which just shows some people are not adaptable.

Why not get rid of the Theatre and Music cobblers and do something else ?

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thistimeiknowitsforreal · 29/10/2022 14:40

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:34

Which just shows how little you know Hmm

My DD is struggling to pass GCSE maths. To even attempt A level most places require you to have a grade 7 in maths. To do further maths you are generally asked to have an 8 at GCSE. I went on to do a maths degree.

DD is doing animal care, not vet med or even vet nursing. She's learning how to do basic health checks, clean accommodation and basic handling.

Animal care is very important and don`t put down what your DD is doing.

I do work somewhat in an area associated with Animal care and what need to be done in terms of care and rehab takes some skill and patience.

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Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:40

Without theatre and music my life would not be worth living.

without music my sin would be a drop out and possibly dead or in an institution.

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:41

Son

thistimeiknowitsforreal · 29/10/2022 14:43

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:40

Without theatre and music my life would not be worth living.

without music my sin would be a drop out and possibly dead or in an institution.

I`m sorry to hear that (no pun intended). we all need something to keep us going.

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TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:44

I'm getting cross now. I am not putting down what my DD is doing. But she isn't currently learning how to do animal rehab. She is studying basic care at a Level 1 (pre-GCSE) level. She may progress to Level 2 (GCSE equivalent) but is currently unlikely to progress further.

All (well most) jobs are needed by society. Some jobs require great empathy or social skills, some great practical skills, some great academic skills, some a mixture. Let people play to their strengths.

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:44

And mine and ds’s performing arts degrees helped pay for a nice house, car, private education (until it became apparent Ds wasn’t suited to it) and lots of comforts.

im happy with my choices thank you.

I’d like the future generation to have a full choice in what they do educationally, whatever they decide.

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:44

Mine and dh’s degrees sorry (Ds has just started his)

IceMagic · 29/10/2022 14:49

Where I live there are school sixth forms in some schools, a sixth form college and further education colleges that do more vocational subjects. The sixth form college is good but quite far away and expensive to get to on unreliable trains. My dc have chosen to stay on at school, but it would have been nice to have a closer sixth form college option.

thistimeiknowitsforreal · 29/10/2022 14:51

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:44

I'm getting cross now. I am not putting down what my DD is doing. But she isn't currently learning how to do animal rehab. She is studying basic care at a Level 1 (pre-GCSE) level. She may progress to Level 2 (GCSE equivalent) but is currently unlikely to progress further.

All (well most) jobs are needed by society. Some jobs require great empathy or social skills, some great practical skills, some great academic skills, some a mixture. Let people play to their strengths.

Well lets hop she does progress and stop putting her down.

Your language in the first paragraph is abit negative.

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TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:57

It's not putting her down! I am more capable than you of being realistic as to where she is right now. She may well progress on to great things in a work based environment, but the fact she is currently doing a L1 course should indicate something to you.

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:59

Ignore Teen. The OP is doing this on purpose without thought to the fact there are real people with real children behind all this.

thistimeiknowitsforreal · 29/10/2022 15:00

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 14:57

It's not putting her down! I am more capable than you of being realistic as to where she is right now. She may well progress on to great things in a work based environment, but the fact she is currently doing a L1 course should indicate something to you.

That`s good.

I do see what you mean, But we all need to start somewhere, starting at level 1 may be better as there would be less pressure on her and may lay some groundwork.

Also if she does only complete level 1 and goes no further well at least she has achieved something.

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IceMagic · 29/10/2022 15:01

Some of your posts looks like they are written by a journalist looking for a story op.

TeenDivided · 29/10/2022 15:01

Comefromaway · 29/10/2022 14:59

Ignore Teen. The OP is doing this on purpose without thought to the fact there are real people with real children behind all this.

I know, I keep getting sucked back in.

The OP either has the logic / arguing skills of a gnat someone incapable of doing A levels someone not well versed in how to present an argument coherently, or is on a wind up.

IceMagic · 29/10/2022 15:06

I've noticed some crap news sites like whipping up anger at university students, which I suspect is because they plan to make massive cuts to uni funding. It always seems to be young people who suffer the most from cuts unfortunately. See also school underfunding. As if it's not hard enough already for young people with house prices as they are.

IceMagic · 29/10/2022 15:08

By "they plan to make cuts" I mean the government. With crap news sites as their mouthpiece softening people up for further cuts affecting young people